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TheClashFan
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Message 16 of 59 (161313)
11-18-2004 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by gman
11-08-2004 1:54 PM


I think that Humans have been Devolving since Adam and Eve left the Garden of Eden. I mean look at us? Animals are better people than humans are. Animals don't rape or murder without reason, they don't eat more than they need, they don't kill for sport, they aren't homosexual, etc. The earlier offspring of Adam and Eve would be embarrassed to call us relitives.

Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

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TheClashFan
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Message 20 of 59 (161327)
11-18-2004 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by crashfrog
11-18-2004 11:07 PM


Re: Amazing misundertandings about the animal world
"Almost every animal will eat what is made avaliable to it. Obese pets are common. Wild animals don't tend to be fat because fat animals tend to get chased down and killed."
House pets have almost no natural instincts. In the wild, they eat all they need when they can, but they don't just sit around eating for no reason like humans.
"Yeah they do. Rape is commonplace in the animal world; some species more than others. Infanticide is common, too."
The 'rape' is not intended in the human way. Humans rape for power, animals do it to reproduce. Infanticide is not used without reason in the wild. Generally, survival of the group is more important, but some species do kill the offspring of another.
"We've observed hmosexuality in hundreds of different animal species. There's a pair of gay penguin parents in the San Diego zoo; two males who mate with each other and are raising a chick from an abandoned egg."
I have never heard that before, but it's probley because they are in captivity. Does one perhaps have a genetic defect? Perhaps female genes and male genetalia?
Age and wisdom are not synonamous. You can have one without the other so don't dismiss me as an ignorant 14 year old, please.

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TheClashFan
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Message 22 of 59 (161341)
11-18-2004 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by crashfrog
11-18-2004 11:48 PM


Re: Amazing misundertandings about the animal world
Forgive me, but I said that the animals may be homosexual because of genetic defects because it is in my belief that homosexuality is wrong, and it clearly states in the Bible that it is. I have no objection to homosexuals as people, I'm friends with a few, but it is wrong to my belief.

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TheClashFan
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Message 24 of 59 (161356)
11-19-2004 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by NosyNed
11-19-2004 12:04 AM


Re: Animals homosexuality
Thank you for the mental stimulation none the less. I irratate my teachers the way I have probley just irratated you all, lol. I forget that religion and sciene rarely mixes. Anyway, I still think that homosexuality is wrong, and that when animals show homosexual behaviors, its a fluke that can be explained otherwise. But again, thank you for listening to my ranting. Mum says its time for bed, so I must depart from further conversation.

Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

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TheClashFan
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Message 25 of 59 (161357)
11-19-2004 12:21 AM
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11-19-2004 12:04 AM


Re: Animals homosexuality
Thank you for the mental stimulation none the less. I irratate my teachers the way I have probley just irratated you all, lol. I forget that religion and sciene rarely mixes. Anyway, I still think that homosexuality is wrong, and that when animals show homosexual behaviors, its a fluke that can be explained otherwise. But again, thank you for listening to my ranting. Mum says its time for bed, so I must depart from further conversation. I think I conradicted my own signature.

Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

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TheClashFan
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Message 26 of 59 (161358)
11-19-2004 12:22 AM
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11-19-2004 12:04 AM


How are you supposed to delete these?
This message has been edited by TheClashFan, 11-20-2004 12:04 AM

Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

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TheClashFan
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Message 34 of 59 (161634)
11-19-2004 9:01 PM
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11-19-2004 3:28 PM


I cannot belive that animals rape for power. I cannot belive that animals kill for no reason. Animals supposedly don't reason, so how can they choose do things that aren't instinctive or useful?

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TheClashFan
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Message 36 of 59 (161802)
11-20-2004 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by crashfrog
11-20-2004 1:29 AM


Your comment on the animals reasoning skills are noted, but I am still to be convinced. As for the rape, men aren't the only ones who rape. Women can too, and I think no matter the sex, rape is for power, unless of course we're dealing with men in a sexual situation in which they have been teased enough and cannot relax. From what I've heard, that it very painful, and I don't doubt it.

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TheClashFan
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Message 39 of 59 (161818)
11-20-2004 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by sidelined
11-20-2004 1:31 PM


I know that I shouldn't be saying this, but I belive whales to have a different kind of intelligence similar to humans, as well as elephants and primates. Was the seal killed on accident? Did the seal eventually get eaten?

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TheClashFan
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Message 40 of 59 (161819)
11-20-2004 1:41 PM
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11-20-2004 12:55 PM


Again, I must reply by stating that cats are domestic. Domestic animals are different from wild animals, though I understand that animals, domestic or wild, will kill to protect their turf.

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TheClashFan
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Message 43 of 59 (161829)
11-20-2004 2:04 PM
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11-20-2004 2:01 PM


True. I guess that I am changing my mind from all of the input from everyone here. You all should feel proud, getting me to change my ideas so quickly. In the short time that I have been using these forums, several of my original ideas have changed, and for that I thank all of you.

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TheClashFan
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Message 44 of 59 (161830)
11-20-2004 2:06 PM
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11-20-2004 2:02 PM


I suppose that I should have chosen a different wording instead of intelligence. Elephants, whales, and some species of primates show human like emotions rather than intelligence.

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TheClashFan
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Message 49 of 59 (161928)
11-20-2004 6:55 PM
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11-20-2004 2:31 PM


Well, whale songs change. Elephants cry when one of their number dies, and when they come across the place or body of the lost member, they morn. Some types of primates morn for their dead also. Some mothers will carry around their dead infants for weeks, trying to feed and take care of it until it is too deformed to continue pretending.

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TheClashFan
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Message 50 of 59 (161932)
11-20-2004 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by jar
11-20-2004 3:11 PM


Re: Don't rush it and...
I understand that my ideas and opinions will change many, many times before I even become an adult.

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TheClashFan
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Message 52 of 59 (161940)
11-20-2004 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by mark24
11-20-2004 6:59 PM


Clever.

Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

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