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Author Topic:   Creation science or not?
jar
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Message 7 of 97 (293251)
03-08-2006 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by riVeRraT
03-08-2006 10:40 AM


it doesn't matter
Does all Creation science claim that? Or only YEC.
Is there some kind of rule that says in order to be a Creation scientists you must be a a literal YEC?
You can be a YEC or Old Earth, doesn't much matter. Creation Science can never be scientific since it starts with a conclusion.
For example, consider Baraminology. It starts with the first assumption that any Kind mentioned in the Bible takes precedence over ANY and all conflicting evidence.
In accomplishing the goal of separating parts of polybaramins, partitioning apobaramins, building monobaramins and characterizing holobaramins, a taxonomist needs guidelines for deciding what belongs to a particular monobaraminic branch. These standards will vary depending upon the groups being considered, but general guidelines which have been utilized include:
1. Scripture claims (used in baraminology but not in discontinuity systematics). This has priority over all other considerations. For example humans are a separate holobaramin because they separately were created (Genesis 1 and 2). However, even as explained by Wise in his 1990 oral presentation, there is not much relevant taxonomic information in the Bible. Also, ReMine’s discontinuity systematics, because it is a neutral scientific enterprise, does not include the Bible as a source of taxonomic information.
from Frair, 2000.
It is even possible that the Creationists might be right, however it will NEVER be science.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 13 of 97 (293311)
03-08-2006 1:33 PM
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03-08-2006 1:14 PM


Re: it doesn't matter
Doesn't it at least start with a theory? The theory that God exists?
No, not at all. It starts with the conclusion that God exists, and also with the conclusion that the Bible is accurate. If you read what I quoted in Message 7 you will see that they begin with the conclusion that what is said in the Bible will take precedence over what is found in reality.
No, Creationism will never be science. It is totally bankrupt and can never lead to any advances. Until they are willing to put GOD to the test under the scientific method, it's a lost cause.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 33 of 97 (295056)
03-14-2006 12:13 AM
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03-14-2006 12:09 AM


a link that might interest you.
The Clergy Project is a petition signed by over 10,000 Christian Clergy related to the Theory of Evolution and the bible. You can find it here.
To quote part of it...
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 35 of 97 (295059)
03-14-2006 12:21 AM
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03-14-2006 12:15 AM


Re: a link that might interest you.
Well, I'm just barely in Texas, around Mile 1. Closest major city is Monterey Mexico. The Rio changes course again and I may well be in Mexico. LOL
But I'll still lift a long necker for you.
Just remember, there really isn't any problem accepting the TOE and Christianity.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 77 of 97 (295937)
03-16-2006 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by knitrofreak
03-16-2006 1:52 AM


Re: Biblical Evidence
Ok maybe I was wrong about Columbus not thinking the earth wasnt round (circle as it says in the bible) but there were many others who did.
There are people like that in every generation, just as today there are people that believe there is science in the Bible.
This topic is about Creation Science.
The key point is that Creationism can NEVER be science. This is a fact for several reasons.
First, to be Science it has to be able to be wrong, falsified. If Creationists want Creationism to be a Science then they must first agree that if the evidence does not support their theory they will throw their theory out.
Second, Science does not start with the answer. Creationism does.
Sorry, the Bible is not a science text and Creationism will never be science.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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