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ringo

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Message 82 of 97 (297379)
03-22-2006 5:07 PM

Reply to: Message 81 by runningman97
03-22-2006 3:55 PM

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runningman97 writes:

... forensic science, fraud investigation and archaeology all search for design....

You miss the point of your own analogy: those investigations find evidence of the designer.

Unless "Intelligent Design" can find the "fingerprints" of the designer, it is not science.

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Message 88 of 97 (297653)
03-23-2006 7:35 PM

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03-23-2006 7:12 PM

Another bad analogy

runningman97 writes:

A better example of science searching for design is SETI....

SETI is implicitly searching for the designer of those hypothetical signals.

If ID was science, it would be trying to detect signals from the designer and trying to communicate with the designer by that same kind of signal.

ID is more like the crop-circle pseudoscience that says, "Oooh. No human could have made that."

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Message 91 of 97 (297914)
03-24-2006 7:01 PM

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03-24-2006 5:25 PM

runningman97 writes:

Before trying to identify the designer, a decision would have to be made about whether or not the signal has design to it or if it's just random.

That's exactly the point I'm making. The IDists claim that they have already detected design, so the next logical step is to identify the designer and try to communicate with him/her/it. Since ID isn't doing what science would do, ID isn't science.

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