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What is an Articulate Informed Creationist

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ringo
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08-02-2007 3:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 16 by arachnophilia
08-02-2007 3:15 PM

Re: great, look what i've started.
arachnophilia writes:
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there is no debate in the scientific community. one side is wrong.
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Exactly. So what's the point in letting people jabber on and on with the same nonsense?
I'm tempted to say 'ban all the hard cases and concentrate on educating the educable'.
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08-02-2007 4:04 PM 		Reply to: Message 24 by arachnophilia
08-02-2007 3:55 PM

Re: great, look what i've started.
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yet, we are a debate site. not an education site.
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Having Faith ranting the same rant in every thread and ignoring every rebuttal is not debate.
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Debate can - and should - be educational.
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Edited by Ringo, : Retensification.
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08-02-2007 4:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 27 by arachnophilia
08-02-2007 4:10 PM

Re: great, look what i've started.
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thy haven't really had much in the way of new arguments in the last 150 years. it's all the same rant. always. all the time.
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That's not the point. I'm talking about us having the same arguments with the same people over and over again. I'm saying that we should concentrate on having new people come in with the same old arguments.
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Why waste time beating up Ray a hundred times when you have a chance at a fresh mind - one that might actually learn to think? I wouldn't be surprized if a lot of newbies are scared off by the "sophisticated" arguments of the hard cases and don't bother to post their simple questions.
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I'd rather see the "level of debate" come down a notch or two or three if people are actually going to learn something.
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08-02-2007 5:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 32 by arachnophilia
08-02-2007 5:07 PM

Re: great, look what i've started.
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i've been arguing the same points here for years.
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And you've been arguing them with new people all the time.
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so what, should we just ban creationists when we get tired of them? or when they get past a certain lifespan here?
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We should ban creationists or evolutionists for the same reasons we've always banned them.
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And we should stop whining about bringing back the incorrigibles because they're never going to learn. Randman has told us everything he knows. Faith has told us everything she knows, and taken up far too much space telling us. Talking to them isn't a debate. It's a bullfight.
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Why would an "articulate informed creationist" be interested in EvC if the lunatics are running the asylum?
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Edited by Ringo, : Capitalization.
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08-02-2007 5:58 PM 		Reply to: Message 34 by arachnophilia
08-02-2007 5:41 PM

Re: double standards
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so why should we get new creationists instead of new evolutionists?
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Umm... because we have a shortage of creationists, not evolutionists.
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why does one of us have to go?
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It isn't one "side" that has to go. It's the ones who won't participate in good faith.
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i've said the things i need to say here -- you've said the things you need to say here. argument, done, right? why not ban us both.
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Why not indeed? If we break the forum rules, repeatedly and to the point where the moderators don't want to spend all their time on us, we should be banned.
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does an articulate, informed creationist exist? i don't say this to be crass or condescending -- but as it is, if they do exist, they certainly don't seem to be interested now.
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That's what I'm saying: if such a person exists, he/she might very well be embarassed by the prominent creationists around here. I see no advantage in bringing back the ones who are even worse.
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08-02-2007 6:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 36 by arachnophilia
08-02-2007 6:14 PM

Re: double standards
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yet, we're banning creationists when we get bored of them?
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No, we're banning them for flouting the rules.
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can you name any prominent creationists (not here, anywhere) that publicly expressed shame over hovind?
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It's not the prominent ones that we should be concerned with, either out there or in here.
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The best chance we have to make a difference is with the young people who have been fed propaganda in their churches and who are going out into the real world with that propaganda. We can show them where they've been lied to, show them how to find out the truth for themselves.
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We can help them to be articulate and informed.
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Letting a few hardliners muddy up every thread isn't going to help accomplish that.
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08-02-2007 7:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 38 by Jaderis
08-02-2007 7:11 PM

Re: great, look what i've started.
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Right, and Faith and Ray and randman and others like them should also have the same opportunity with new evolutionists that join the site.
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They would have the same oppurtunity if they obeyed the rules.
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08-02-2007 7:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 40 by Jaderis
08-02-2007 7:19 PM

Re: double standards
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Many lurkers, though, will read the "muddied up" threads.
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Sure, no doubt some people would take away something useful, just as some people would be driven away.
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All I'm saying, for the hundredth time , is that bringing back people who clearly have no desire to "play well with others" won't necessarily make EvC a better place. (They were removed in the first place to make it a better place.)
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