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mikehager
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Message 6 of 108 (210658)
05-23-2005 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by GDR
05-23-2005 1:46 PM


An act of faith
I am curious to hear exactly how Atheism requires an act of faith. This is a common argument one hears from theists that simply isn't so. Perhaps you have a new take on it. As Ned asked, it would likely be best to define "faith" as you are using it.

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mikehager
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Message 12 of 108 (210699)
05-23-2005 5:05 PM
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05-23-2005 4:23 PM


Re: An act of faith
I contend that there is no scientic proof for the non-existance of ID, therefore it becomes an "act of faith" to declare the non-existance of ID.
There is no such thing as evidence of non-existence. Evidence doesn't work that way. There can only be evidence for positive assertions. The quick way of phrasing this, which you may have heard before, is "You can't prove a negative".
A positive assertion would be "Life is Intelligently Designed by some unknown agent." Now it would be the duty of the person making that assertion to give evidence for it if he wanted it to be accepted as fact. Every ID "theorist" has failed to present such evidence. So, it is not an act of faith to not believe in it. There is simply no reason to do so.
Conversely, by your own definition, it does in fact take an act of faith to believe it.
I stand by the statement that science only tells us how, it does not tell us why.
You are correct in this. The great metaphysical "why?" is simply not the concern of science. Science is not designed for answering such questions and is incapable of doing so. It is designed to find explanations for how the natural world works, which it excels at.

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mikehager
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Message 24 of 108 (210853)
05-24-2005 12:08 PM
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05-23-2005 5:35 PM


Re: An act of faith
You are absolutely right. I made the stupid mistake of saying that there is no SCIENTIFIC evidence. My own argument was in contradiction to my original point. ID, or ID's non-existence is a question that is outside the bounds of science. It is either a philosophical or a religious question.
I'm glad that you agree that ID isn't science. It certainly isn't. So it has no business in the classroom. That's all I'm concerned about.

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