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MrHambre
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Message 23 of 82 (90553)
03-05-2004 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by John Paul
03-05-2004 1:39 PM


John Paul,
Considering your posting record, it seems the evidence is lost before it gets anywhere near us. Mind presenting it sometime?
regards,
Esteban "Perdido" Hambre

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MrHambre
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Message 67 of 82 (104944)
05-03-2004 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by John Paul
05-03-2004 1:05 PM


That's what I call simple
John Paul writes,
quote:
Theoretical musings are fine & dandy but without verification have no practical use. This is why the theory of evolution, the common descent part, is very irrelevant to biology.
I'd just like to know how many actual biologists would have to contradict this statement before you'd retract it.
regards,
Esteban "Just Wondering" Hambre

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MrHambre
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Message 69 of 82 (104963)
05-03-2004 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by John Paul
05-03-2004 1:44 PM


Re: That's what I call simple
John Paul,
I just wondered if someone who makes blanket statements such as It has already been shown that the theory of common descent is NOT needed for anything would accept some sort of evidence that would demonstrate, for example, that the theory of common descent actually was necessary or relevant to biology. If the answer is no, if you already know all you need concerning the history of biology, a simple 'no' would suffice.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'cetacean experts,' though I fully expect that there are people who work with whales that can do their jobs without having to affirm the validity of molecules-to-man descent. In a similar vein, you can brew beer (and people did for millennia) without understanding the technical minutiae of the Sacchomyces existence and life cycle. However, if I made a blanket statement such as Pasteur's work has no practical importance to the brewing industry, I'd be wrong.
It may come as a surprise to you to hear that Watson and Crick testified that the concept of common descent was of utmost importance in their search to discover the structure of the DNA molecule. I'm sure you'd agree that their research did not increase our knowledge of biology or heredity, nor did their achievements have any practical research value.
regards,
Esteban Hambre

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MrHambre
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Message 76 of 82 (104993)
05-03-2004 4:26 PM
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05-03-2004 3:50 PM


John Paul actually says,
quote:
What Watson & Crick testified to (if they did testify) and reality are two different things.
When you deliver your Nobel speech, you can give your view of reality. Then the joke will be on us. Right now we're the ones laughing.
regards,
Esteban "Stockholm Sweetie" Hambre

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