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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Your claim that women are more emotional than men is, well, utter crap. Just look at men's over-the-top emotional behavior during domestic violence and abuse, athletic events, war, and rock concerts.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Exactly. That's my point. Dr. Page was "called a girl" because his responses were judged as containing any emotion at all.
quote: I only needed to point out any case to show that the idea that only females display emotion to be false.
quote: Um, men are very emotional at athletic events and rock concerts (both as participants and observers). Men shouting, jumping around, celebrating, hugging, screaming can all be observed at these events. People can feel aggressive, no? BTW, I can't help but notice that you seem to be hounding me on this board. You respond nearly exclusively to my posts. Why?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: LOL!!! First of all, my name is sChraf, not shraf. Second of all, your dismissive Midol comment just makes me more committed to my feminist ideals, just like jdean's completely over the top, knee-jerk response to my posts makes me more committed. jdean's obvious insecurity about himself and his fear of women and women's equality, and the aggressive, angry, abusive way he expresses it is proof positive that feminism is very much needed.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You are the one not answering his specific questions, Peter. You are running away without addressing the pesticide resistance/evolutionary arms race issue, nor are you addressing the issue of you claiming that you have evidence from fossils of an entire genome, or something like that. Put up or shut up. Oh, I guess you chose #2, in the form of running away.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
This is a public message forum.
I am free to reply to whom I wish unless told otherwise by the moderators. I request that you do not reply to me unless you can do so in a civil, respectful way that involves actual content. I will refer you to the forum giudelines.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Huh? Talk about irrelevant!
quote: You did not address his point about the difference between an evolutionary arms race and pesticide resistance.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I very much agree.
quote: I'll stop when Quetzal asks me to, not because some arrogant, abusive newbie has decided to try to order me around.
quote: Where is your pro and/or con address of these issues? Did you have a point to make in this thread, or are you only here to criticize me? It's stale.
quote: I do not repond to hateful posts intended only to annoy me, and that is all you have been posting here. I will refer you to the forum guidelines.
quote: More content and less abusive behavior would be much appreciated.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I know that this is the free for all forum, but jimmy dean the Sausage King made reference to replies I had not made to him elsewhere in the moderated part of the board.
I referred him to the forum guidelines as explanation of why I wasn't terribly interested in responding to him there. Sorry it wasn't clear.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Thanks, Q. The feeling is mutual
Jimmy Dean the Sausage King is new around here and hasn't figured out how to gain respect yet. I guess his mama didn't teach him that to earn respect in civilized company one must treat others with respect. In fact, I don't think he has uttered a single word WRT Biology or Creationism. Methinks I smell a troll, not someone interested in either. [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 01-31-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Hey Arachnid, care to reply to my message #60 in the Faith and Belief forum, Define Faith topic? You made some accusations and I asked for clarification and examples. If you think I am a militant feminist, you must not talk to very many feminists. Now my husband; he's the militant feminist in our house.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Than you kindly.
quote: See, that is strange, because I have held these basic views for about 20 years.
quote: I do? When did I do that? Was it when I talked of raising women's role in society? How does lifing up women automatically lower men? Strange either/or thinking there. If you mean I diminish the roles of men that have been overvalued compared to the undervalued roles of women, then yes, I challenge that notion. I believe that both genders have a great deal to offer, and no, I do not believe that men and women are exactly the same. But I do think that our similarities are great and our differences small. It is the systematic exclusion from certain activities based upon gender, and the systematic requirement to participate in certain activities based upon gender, that I oppose. There are very few jobs which require a person to have testicles, or have ovaries. That's all feminism really is.
quote: What lowly station is that? The lowly station of heading up nearly all of the highest business, academic, and governmental institutions in our country? Seriously, what lowly station are you talking about? Oh, and if my argument was flawed, I wouldn't be able to verbally crush anybody.
quote: You are right, and I think it is awful that this is the case. There is absolutely no reason women should be given preferential considerstion in custody; men are perfectly capable of being good single parents. However, it is also true that working mothers have had their children taken away from them because they worked outside the home, and it is also true that fathers do a great deal more abandoning of their children than mothers, and fathers fail to pay child support at an alarming rate, and only recently have either of these problems of irresponibility been addressed in any serious way by the courts. However, if you want to talk about "war" against a gender, perhaps you might like to think a bit about the history of how women have been treated, and continue to be treated, in this country. Rape and domestic violence are real, and not rare. Men kill their wives and girlfriends at a rate that far exceeds that of women killing their husbands and boyfriends. http://www.letswrap.com/dvinfo/stats.htm "Family violence kills as many women every 5 years as the total number of Americans who died in the Vietnam War" Statistics show that one in three college-age men would rape a woman if they knew they could get away with it. Page Not Found Imagine living in my world, as a woman, for a little while, and then you tell me who is at war with whom.
quote: Um, that's because men are a GREAT deal more likely to be physically violent, and because men are generally much more likely to come back and murder their wife or girlfriend. http://www.letswrap.com/dvinfo/myths.htm "according to the FBI, in over 95% of all domestic abuse violence, the man is the batterer. The injuries that battered women receive are at least as serious as 90% of all violent felony crimes, yet under state laws, domestic violence is almost always a misdemeanor."
quote: See above. Men, for whatever reason, tend to be more violent.
quote: Let's see. I talk about raising women's status, and this, by definition, "destroys the value of men?" Does this mean that the value of men is dependent upon women's status being lower, in your view?
quote: Again, please show me where I have done this "tearing down of men". I want examples. I don't think you have them. Most of my coworkers are men. Most of my friends are men. I have been married to a wonderful man for 10 years. I love men. I hate what our society has done to men. Some, like you seem to, think that for women to rise up, men must go down. This is not at all the case, although if they have been raised that there must be a leader and a follower, that there must be a winner and a loser, then the road to mutual respect will be a long one. I don't want totear down men, but I do want men, both individually and as a group, to come to terms and take responibility for their violence towards and discrimination against, women. The reason it's important for men, as a group, to do this, is because chances are, if you know a fair number of men, at least a couple of them have done some kind of physical abuse to a woman.
quote: Contentless personal attack, and strawman.
quote: I was raised a Catholic and attended 12 years of Chatechism. I lived in a Catholic household. I know a thing or two about living a religious life, because I used to be a believer. But all of that doesn't matter. One doesn't have to have been a member of a group to have valid criticisms of the practices of that group. If you have something specific to say which counters my criticisms of the Southern Baptist edict, or evidence which challenges my divorce statistics, or anything else specific, then bring it forward. If all you have is to declare that "I don't have the right" with no reasoning behind it, well, then it isn't much.
quote: I haven't seen much in the way of antisemitism on this board, although I have seen a bit of criticism of the secular government of Israel. Are you actually telling me that anyone who criticises the government of Israel is, by definition, an anti-semite? Well, that would make anyone who criticizes the government of England an anti-Church of England-ite, wouldn't it?
quote: However, you were wrong about my views, weren't you? You had a little box of preconceptions about me that you put me in when I started to speak of women's rights, instead of finding out for yourself what I actually think. We all do this from time to time, as it is in human nature to categorize. However, let this be a lesson that it is not always wise to do this with people.
quote: Oh, being a femminist requires quite a lot of conviction, considering that people like you fear people like me. Fear leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering. This is the path of the Dark Side. (Thanks, Master Yoda)
quote: Piss off, boy. I think very much for myself, thank you. I think it's pretty funny to tell a non-religious person that they don't think for themselves. I mean, depending upon how literally certain Christians take the Bible, there is little or no thinking or analysis or interpretation needed, right?
quote: Things are probably clearer for you now, but they aren't for me. I still do not have any specific examples of where I said what you say I did. [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-03-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Wow, you have a really inflated sense of your own importance, don't you?
Oh, I've gotta tell you that your psychic abilities are not what you think they are. It's pretty funny that you would characterize me as the one getting mad when you are the one slinging mud and ranting nonsensically about that which you know nothing about. Thank you, though, for finally letting me know your real reason for following me around this site, troll. You are "entertained" by annoying me. Well, I'm sorry that you are the kind of icky wierdo that enjoys ranting and raving angrily at women on the 'net for "entertainment". Goodbye, sicko. PS I wonder if your bosses at Ditech.com know about how you spend company time, and what your attitudes about domestic violence are? Do you think either would be good for your potential for advancement? [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-04-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: He is certainly a troll, and I don't think he gets many dates.
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