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Author Topic:   Page v. Borger
John
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Message 2 of 92 (30246)
01-26-2003 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Black
01-26-2003 9:25 AM


Maybe you could explain Borger's brilliance to the rest of us then? Obviously you understand it or you couldn't support it so whole heartedly.
Oh, and I like that bit of matter-of-fact misogyny you threw in there.
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John
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Message 5 of 92 (30273)
01-26-2003 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Black
01-26-2003 5:38 PM


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Does random mutation mean a mutation that has no cause? Or is the mutation "random" because you are ignorant of its cause?
Any mutation has a cause if you consider that there will be some chemical or mechanical agents involved-- poisons or radiation or such. The argument over 'random' vs. 'non-random' is really about whether the mutation is directed toward an end or not. In other words, when we roll a die does a six come up by chance or is some force acting to make that six come up. Maybe this is what you meant, but I want to be clear.
With this is mind, a mutation would be random-- undirected toward an end-- if it follows no pattern. It is a statistical calculation. Is is really really really 'random' in the great scheme of things? Who knows? But to make the claim that it is not random one needs to show a pattern and a mechanism, neither of which PeterB has done. I was so hoping that you could explain, but I guess that isn't likely.
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the observation that women are more emotional than men is, well, science.
Don't try to hide behind to claim that your prejudice -- apparent if not actual-- is science. You called Page a girl, just as the little ten year olds do when trying to upset my step-son.
Men and women are conditioned to express different emotions. Men are conditioned to suppress affection and express agression. Women are the reverse. Women are not more emotional than men. And men are damn sure not more rational.
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John
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Message 7 of 92 (30277)
01-27-2003 12:38 AM
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01-27-2003 12:33 AM


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It's time that you read Dr Caporale's book, since you are argueing from ignorance.
What, PeterB, am I arguing? From the looks of it you haven't a clue.
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John
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Message 17 of 92 (30391)
01-27-2003 11:57 PM
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01-27-2003 11:45 PM


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Why do you so firmly believe there exists no mechanism of mutation?
Apparently you did not read my post or, more likely, just didn't pay any attention. Or perhaps the worst is true and fifth grade biology is over your head. Maybe we'll never know.
Jester is a very apt name by the way. I just keep thinking, "You must be joking!!!" Apparently you are.
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John
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Message 21 of 92 (30430)
01-28-2003 9:48 AM
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01-28-2003 8:02 AM


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Your paradigm requires a committment to "random as to cause, random as to end" and therefore you aren't interested in further biological inquiry to ascertain whether we are seeing a common mechanism at work.
You are still clueless. It is quite amusing to watch. You can't even paraphrase what I said, much less argue against it. Silly boy.
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