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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
In the topic "http://EvC Forum: Does the evidence support the Flood? (attn: DwarfishSquints) -->EvC Forum: Does the evidence support the Flood? (attn: DwarfishSquints)"
codegate stated: In fact, why are we worried at all about where the water came from? Why didn't God just create it? Certainly would be a lot simpler, wouldn't it? It would have been simpler if "God" had simply stated all animals except Noah's family and one pair of the unclean & 7 pairs of the clean will now die. Why go through the rigamarole of a global flood. If a person believes in let there be light then why not the above. If all that is meant in creation is magic let it be all. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added that "?" to the topic title.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
How many people talk about the Flood? My point exactly. Talk about. If by chance a flood were to have occured at ~5000 years ago and is talked about today, said flood would have to be greater than any previous known flood. So lets return to the period in question. Where is the civilization who is affected by the above flood? The answer is Mesopotamia. The Flood story in the Bible was obviously carried to Canaan by Abraham. Where was Abraham from? Ur, of the Chaldees, which was at the area of the delta of the Tigris & Euphrates Rivers. Now in the mindset of the people of the time what was the whole earth? It would appear that what was considered the earth was Mesopotamia, the Persian Gulf and the surrounding land. Thus a flood covering the entire area of Mesopotamia would be considered covering the earth. Why a flood? If a flood story which starts out in Mesopotamia 5000 years ago, is carried to Canaan by Abraham and told to the following generation it would most likely be changed as is the normal case with the spoken word. The Flood became a total destruction of life save for those in the Ark.Thus the reasoning which starts as a severe flood, becomes a global flood do to the character of those first telling, then transcribing the story. Why does God need a flood, He doesn't, any more than he, if he exists, needs humans trying to say what he did or did not do. Edited by bluescat48, : spelling & diction There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Had God just killed everybody but the occupants of the ark without the flood NOBODY would be talking about it. I doubt that. People talk about the flood bcause it's in the bible and some christians try to prove that it happened. If the story in the bible was "god snapped his fingers and all but Noah and his family fell dead" you'd still have christians talking about it and trying to find evidence for "the biblical finger snapping". Excellant point. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
A "chance"? OK, let me put it like this. Suppose I was to go about preaching the following: The world is about to be destroyed by fire, because God wants to kill everyone who is not an evolutionist. He has commanded me to build an asbestos room in which to shelter myself, my family, and my animals. You have a chance to repent and agree in the wonder of God's glorious plan of evolution, and then you too will be saved from the flames. Now, do you not see that if I went around saying stuff like that, you wouldn't believe that I was a prophet of God, you'd just think that I'd gone off my head. Yes and then wait for those happy men in their clean white coats coming to take you away to the funny farm.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Now getting back to the topic at hand, the people in the time of the flood knew that they were being wicked. They also knew that G-d existed, before they began to taste the sweetness of sins. How do you know what the people at the time of Noah believed? What about those nowhere near Mesopotamia how could they know what Noah was doing and why? There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
You are stumbling into a trap. You do not have any evidence of the flood outside of the Torah's testimony to such an event. You therefore, must accept the entire story that the Torah describes, and you can't take what you like and leave what you don't like. Noah was building the ark for about 100 years and this is enough time for everyone in the world to find out about it. Also, Noah was a well known individual, and people did not consider him to be crazy. They knew what the world was like, and they realized that G-d may cause the worlds destruction. Like I said, if you are going to believe in the story of the great flood you are going to have to accept the entire tradition about what was happening in that time. Otherwise, you can deny the idea that the flood ever existed because you have no evidence for any of it. Now we come to the jist of the matter. Whether or not the Torah is correct. Where is the evidence that the Torah is correct and not just mythology like the Greek, Roman, Norse stories. If the Torah is mythology, and many believe this, then how can the flood be justified and why a flood in the first place. Why kill innocent children & animals? There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I have already explained to you why a flood was chosen and not sudden . No you haven't, all you have done is paraphrased scripture. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I have answered that "die now" would give no chance for repentance, while the rigmarole of the flood does give this chance. again I ask how could those who knew not Noah, thus God, even attempt to repent when they would have no-one to repent to. Ie Australians, Eskimos, Maoris etc. peoples who lived thousands of kilometres from Mesopotamia. I would doubt that the Egyptians would even have heard of it. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
s there any evidence of people living in these places at that time?
According to the following
Columbia Encyclopedia Australian aborigines, native people of Australia who probably came from somewhere in Asia more than 40,000 years ago. In 2001 the population of aborigines and Torres Straits Islanders was 366,429, 1.9% of the Australian population as a whole and slightly more than the estimated aboriginal population of 350,000 at the time of European colonization in the late 18th cent. At that time, there were 500-600 distinct groups of aborigines speaking about 200 different languages or dialects (at least 50 of which are now extinct). Although culturally diverse, these groups were not political and economic entities and lacked class hierarchies and chiefs. They lived by hunting and gathering, and there was extensive intergroup trade throughout the continent. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
They could have all died out before the great flood. There is no evidence that the peoples of Australia died out and were replaced later.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Also, remember that Noah had 100 years until the flood. No proof of such totally hearsay.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.
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