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lfen
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Message 20 of 181 (170013)
12-20-2004 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by arachnophilia
12-20-2004 2:30 AM


here is something very clearly indicated as not for man, but for god. the position that god's law is followed by god is just silly. how do explain verses like that? god and man are different.
Well, I explain it as whoever said that was speaking for God and thus tacitly or explicitly claiming God's authority. What continues to amaze me is how many people go along with that. Even to someone as transparently sleazey as a faith healer, like the guy, I forget his name who kept getting caught with prostitutes and who cried and got a lot of money, or the guy who claimed God told him he had to die if he didn't raise a million dollars! People just go for this stuff. I don't see it as having anything to do with God, it's all about human guliblity and the priests ability to wield psychological power.
On the other hand profound teachings of the east are so daunting that they are usually ignored in the west. "Vengenance is mine" sayeth the Lord is something most people can grasp and won't think about deeply.
Huang-po on the other hand poses seemingly insurmountable difficulties:
To point out that the Original Mind of all sentient beings is Buddha was the only purpose of the Patriarch who came from the West. Thus suddenly, rather than gradually, pointing to Original Mind, the Patriarch showed that it was neither light nor dark and that without light there is no dark and that without dark there is no light. Consequently, it followed that there is no ignorance and also no ending of ignorance. As one enters the door of Dhyana, he should have this awareness and understanding. This discernment of reality is the Dharma ? which is no other than the awareness of Buddha as no Buddha and the Sangha as the Sangha of non-action and the realization of the Precious Three as One Body. If you seek to understand Dharma better, don't grasp the Sangha. You should realize that there is nothing to seek. Also, do not grasp the Buddha or the Dharma, for, again, there is nothing at all to seek. Don't grasp the Buddha in your seeking, for there is no Buddha. Don't grasp the Dharma in your seeking, for there is no Dharma. Don't grasp the Sangha in your seeking, for there is no Sangha. Such is the true and correct Dharma!"
lfen

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