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Message 52 of 279 (224974)
07-20-2005 5:54 PM

Reply to: Message 51 by PaulK
07-20-2005 5:48 PM

Re: Universal Good

I don't think that quote implies an absolute moral standard any more than a relative one. I do think that it is an attempt by the folk at the time to express the idea that there is good and not good and that humans have a responsibility to do good as opposed to not good.

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Message 83 of 279 (225258)
07-21-2005 7:25 PM

Reply to: Message 82 by Lizard Breath
07-21-2005 7:16 PM

Re: Universal Good

If humans are a result of the big bang, then so is their consciousness. You are saying that once humans were created from the big bang, a whole new game started and these complex thoughts just came into being.

Well, that's not quite the way it went.

The Big Bang has nothing to do with Humans, morality or even life except that if it had not happened, none of them would exist.

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Message 99 of 279 (225481)
07-22-2005 1:01 PM

Reply to: Message 97 by paisano
07-22-2005 10:29 AM

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This is like saying that Pythagoras discovered the mathematical theorem that bears his name, and we have evidence that Chinese and Persian mathematicians also discovered it independently, but not all societies discovered it, therefore is is not a valid mathematical theorem.

But that's a false analogy. That is NOT what folk are saying at all.

A better analogy would be if others had found that there was a set where the sum of the squares formed by the smaller legs of a triangle did not equal the square of the longer leg. In reality what happened is that some societies discovered other formulas that worked as well as the Golden Rule.

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Message 102 of 279 (225504)
07-22-2005 2:08 PM

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07-22-2005 1:39 PM

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What I am getting at is the non-discovery of the GR by a society cannot be a sound argument agains the GR being a valid moral principle.

No one has said it is not. But it is not an absolute. In addition, the Golden Rule itself is a relativistic rule.

It would be necessary on your part to demonstrate the existence of non-GR societies of similar complexity to GR societies (that is, societies with complex state forms of government, relatively complex economies, at least Iron Age technology), function as well as GR societies.

Actually, since the Golden Rule supposedly predates the Iron Age, you are being overly restrictive. In addition, if you look at the history of what Golden Rule societies have done whenthey do come in contact with non-Golden Rule societies, you have to question is the Golden Rule itself is a moral guide.

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