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robinrohan Science unfortunately is,at present,unable to state what occured at T=0 since the laws of physics do not advance beyond the limit imposed by the planck time of T=10*-43 seconds which is such a vanishingly minute speck of time that one would be tempted to consider it not really different from T=0.However since science hinges upon what it can say about the world we cannot say one way or the other just what occured.It may be that the laws of nature prevent a T=0 in the same way that absolute 0 cannot be reached.
In fact,as I think about it,{wrongly no doubt}would not T=0 violate the uncertainty principle in just the same way that absolute zero does?This message has been edited by sidelined, 12-08-2004 11:31 PM

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robinrohan You do even see the contradiction in terms here do you? Really? Perhaps you would like to present the proof.This message has been edited by sidelined, 12-09-2004 06:27 AM

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I am curious as to the application of cause and effect as concerns the big bang.
If the effect of first cause is the universe itself does this not mean that all subsequent events are therefore determined by that first cause since the universe is the given result of it?
If not, then any effects that occur after the first cause are necessarily not a result or effect of the first cause and constitute something seperate from that first cause within the universe.This appears to me to be paradoxical.One is also drawn to wonder what is meant by first cause.How can it organize the given effect of the universe without previous effects occuring?

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"A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death."-