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Acceptance, Evolutionists vs. Creationists

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mike the wiz
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06-03-2004 1:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 9 by nator
06-03-2004 9:35 AM

Re: Hang on, here.
However, the fact is that believers fear death so much that they accept/manufacture an entire mythology
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No. Me and B2P are just believers, not manufacturers. B2P is a wrestler, do you seriously think he fears death? Look at that mean guy go!
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06-03-2004 3:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 11 by nator
06-03-2004 3:35 PM

Re: Hang on, here.
It's funny how I am supposed to fear death. It's funny, I have to repeat it a million times a year, I am not afraid of death. If it was just the end - great, I don't even mind being brown bread, it's hell that bothers me. So in any case, I wish it was as simple as "the end". And don't say "Ahh, you believe cos you're frightened of hell" COS that's just as equally an annoying statement. I guess I just don't like having this "he believes for comfort" generalization hanging over me, it's only those who don't have or understand faith that say these things. If anything, I doubt when I need comfort.
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You have accepted some of the mythology that you were exposed to in your life.
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What parts?
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06-03-2004 5:56 PM 		Reply to: Message 13 by nator
06-03-2004 4:25 PM

Re: Hang on, here.
If the fear of not knowing what happens to us when we die/fear of death wasn't a huge part of belief in the supernatural, why does some kind of afterlife appear in most of the world religions?
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You are assuming that afterlife = fear of death. Now assume that afterlife = reality, that's all I'm doing.
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You see, fear is the opposite of faith. Faith/belief and fear/doubt, are opposites. On the boat, Christ says "Where is your faith", because his apostles had been overcome with fear. They feared for death, instead of having faith in life.
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Fear of death doesn't make the believer, faith in life does. He is the life/overcomer, of fear/death.
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06-04-2004 8:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 16 by One_Charred_Wing
06-04-2004 2:55 AM

Re: Bravo!
So you can remember streethawk then?
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No probs, us believer 'av gotchta stick together, as we seem in the minority here.
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mike the wiz
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06-14-2004 5:30 PM 		Reply to: Message 125 by One_Charred_Wing
06-14-2004 5:08 PM

Re: And yet again!
You're hinting that you want me to answer 'why, that could only be fear of death! You're so smart, Schrafinator!'
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ROFL.
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Even if christians are preoccupied with death, Christ seems to have been preoccupied with life. In that he is the truth, the way and the LIFE.
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06-16-2004 9:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 130 by nator
06-16-2004 8:59 PM

Re: And yet again!
Sorry to go against the wind here, but I am also under the impression that our belief is not because of our fear of death.
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I myself find the idea of being a spirit entity, very frightening. Infact, the idea of ghosts gets me very scared. I just don't even want to look when I pop my clogs. I am far more afraid of an afterlife, than simply having a kip on a slab.
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Ceasing to exist? --> I wish.
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Re: And yet again!
I fully endorse this braveheart strategy. I am sure that we will LAMent.
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