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Phat
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Message 20 of 204 (251116)
10-12-2005 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by iano
10-12-2005 11:04 AM


Re: Humour...
Iano writes:
I can't wait to die - suicide is selfish and sinful so I'm afraid I'll have a while to wait yet.
What if God told you that your mission in life was to go to Iraq and "convert" those suicide bombers? You do not fear death, so...would you go?

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Phat
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Message 21 of 204 (251118)
10-12-2005 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Silent H
10-12-2005 11:04 AM


Re: knowing how to do the right thing is often much harder
I actually DO agree with your view more than Jars. I DO think, however, that Jars folksy approach is much better suited to convincing the non religious mindset that their efforts DO count even if they do not profess Jesus.
Traditional belief would balk at such a thing, but I feel that Jar has the best intentions and intentions trump edicts and Canonical doctorines. Its like Jesus...when confronted by Pharisees who told him that he was breaking the rules healing on the Sabbath...Jesus told them that their rules were meaningless and that it was the intentions of a heart that God will judge.
Even when Jar does things like calling God a "she", he is doing it to break the ice and cause reconciliations rather than divisions.

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Phat
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Message 40 of 204 (251420)
10-13-2005 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by iano
10-12-2005 2:30 PM


How can any statement stand on its own? What about context?
What about context?
Nuggin writes:
Seems to me that the judeo/christian religion is awfully full of rules.
So lets focus on Jesus. He was said to be the fullfillment of the Law, yet He was not sent to abolish any law.
Jar writes:
The story in Genesis of Adam & Eve and the Garden of Eden is not one of a Fall, but of establishing the fact that there are good and bad choices and that we have a responsibility to TRY to make good choices.
I would say that there may well have been a Fall...we don't really know because we would have already fallen. We DO have a responsibility to make good choices, and I think that Jesus Christ is central to this. Having said that, lets assume, for a moment, that we are discussing choices with a group of secular people uninterested in the religion surrounding the Bible.
Jar writes:
GOD says "You know right from wrong!" It's then left up to the individuals to act on that knowledge.
Jars assertion is backed by Paul.Romans 1:11-18, I believe.
RiverRat writes:
Love God with all your heart mind and soul, and,
Love others as you love yourself.
Then the Holy Spirit lets you know when you are doing wrong, you don't need a Christian to tell when you are doing wrong or right.
Look at context. Jesus was talking to Jews who were already chosen, if not saved. They were asking which commandments were the most important. What were they seeking? A loophole? A conclusion? A revised version? Or...perhaps..they were seeking the Answer from Jesus.
Iano writes:
The law is there to condemn you. It's sole purpose is to make you feel condemned. Should you ever reach that point, then the law will have done exactly what it's supposed to do.
Yet Jesus told us that He was never here to condemn anyone. People felt condemnation only for when they did something that they knew not to do. Paul mentions no condemnation for folk who walk in the spirit.
How do we tell a room of secular peeps to walk in the spirit?
Perhaps we attempt to live it rather than preach it.
Parasomnium writes:
No wonder those Bible-thumpers are confused.
Warning: Anyone who attempts to force the Bible into their head without taking into account the context of the world around them will be subject to brain fog, stubborn behavior, and irrational proclamations!
Iano writes:
It seems 'try' is a conclusion drawn out by your own rationality - not by the bibles rationale.
OK...so when Jesus tells me to love God with everything I've got and I find that I do not, is it because I don't understand the Bible? Im trying, Im trying!

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