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Author Topic:   Jews Rejected God's Offer
YesthisisTrue 
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Message 38 of 219 (162527)
11-23-2004 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by arachnophilia
11-22-2004 7:21 AM


Re: A matter of opinion and belief
actually, the bible never states that the messiah will be of david's bloodline, if you want to be technical about it.

I don't know if this is true or not, but if the OT doesn't require Messiah to be of David's bloodline, what's your point?

it is not blasphemy to name a child with a statement about god.

But,as I said, none of the thought-to-bes were named Immanuel.......so it's clearly not a requirement.

look, even if the word "is" is not present, it still does not denote that the bearer is divine

I don't know about Hebrew, but it certainly does in English.

and that we will prevail over the assyrians.

Why do you keep bringing up the Assyrians? Clearly, in this day and age, even the Jews would admit that the prophecy doesn't LITERALLY speak of Jews being delivered from the Assyrians.......as they're currently free from the Assyrians, and yet they believe that Messiah has not yet come.

human beings can be granted immortality. read genesis 3.

Not in THIS world, as was evidenced by the fact that the fella you speak of (I forget his name) was taken up to heaven......he wasn't granted fleshly immortality, he was just spared death.

revelation is 100% symbolic.

Exactly........so were the old testament prophecies, largely, whether the Jews realized it or not.

uh, no, that award goes to the christians.

Oh, ok, when CHRISTIANS say something's literal, they're wrong, and when Jews do it, they're right.......

every christian thinks there was a war in heaven before creation, and lucifer/satan fell, where he tempted adam in the garden of eden.

Once again, you guys should really study up before making incorrect statements like this.

the talmud is not canon.

All depends on how you define canon........if you believe that it's as holy as any other holy scripture (as the Jews do), then you consider it canon.

i'm a christian.

Then you are my brother...

i'm arguing why jewish people don't agree.

But, as I said earlier, Jews can't even believe anymore that Messiah's gonna literally save them from the Assyrians and Babylonians, as Babylon doesn't even exist anymore......

and no, there is little to no indication of jesus in the old testament. i will happy to discuss ever verse that you think mentions him in another thread.

Let's do that.

the point is that matthew was too dim to understand that zechariah was refering to only one animal

Obviously, Matthew was working off of a flawed memory with the verses he quoted.......does that really make a difference?

This message has been edited by YesthisisTrue, 11-23-2004 04:56 AM


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YesthisisTrue 
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Message 39 of 219 (162531)
11-23-2004 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by purpledawn
11-22-2004 7:21 AM


Re: A matter of opinion and belief
BTW, I see you guys are mentioning how NT people misquote the OT a lot......and you're right, technically. But nothing less should be expected; neither ancient Hebrew or Koine Greek even had quotation marks.......

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YesthisisTrue 
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Message 40 of 219 (162532)
11-23-2004 5:02 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by purpledawn
11-22-2004 7:21 AM


Re: A matter of opinion and belief
BTW, I see you guys are mentioning how NT people misquote the OT a lot......and you're right, technically. But nothing less should be expected; neither ancient Hebrew or Koine Greek even had quotation marks.......

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YesthisisTrue 
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Message 41 of 219 (162533)
11-23-2004 5:02 AM
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11-22-2004 7:21 AM


Re: A matter of opinion and belief
BTW, I see you guys are mentioning how NT people misquote the OT a lot......and you're right, technically. But nothing less should be expected; neither ancient Hebrew or Koine Greek even had quotation marks.......

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YesthisisTrue 
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Message 42 of 219 (162537)
11-23-2004 5:11 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by purpledawn
11-22-2004 7:26 PM


Re: Righteousness
Paul did not claim to speak for God.

Incorrect, sir.......which are why the books he wrote are part of teh word of God.


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