Prophecy of Messiah: Isaiah 7

Let me help Jar - he is being misunderstood.These words and Jar's avatar need the following reminder: Jar claims to be a Christian. Otherwise the words and avatar might confuse someone into thinking he was an atheist or Darwinist.Ray

Why ?Jar and Phatboy are Christians - did you forget ?Do you think EvC would front them as Admins if they were not ?Are you naieve ?Percy promoting true Christians as Admins ?Percy, like all Darwinists NEED pseudo-Christians like Jar and Phatboy, otherwise their theory is atheist ideology masquerading as science. As we see - anyone can claim to be a Christian.Ray

I'm not an idiot YEC - your counterpart. Could you tell the debate how much of your Darwinian worldview is responsible for this very predictable and unsupported opinion ?AdminMod:I think you should admit yourself to a hospital. Your face looks in dire need of some type of injection.Ray

Fact: WHEREVER the O.T. specifically says "Israel" or "House of Israel" = these descendants are the peoples of the Church age, as opposed to "Judah" who became the dispersed Jewish race. God is going to speak via Hosea and what He makes him do: Hosea = type of God. Wife of whoredoms he marries = type of Israel worshipping foreign idols.God is attempting to show the pain He feels = what we feel when a spouse is sexually unfaithful = Israel worshipping idols. Now the literal human allegory commences: God pronounces judgement on the house of Israel/Northern 10 tribe kingdom. The child is named Jezreel to show what God's reason for the judgement: the murder that went on there - sins that God said animal sacrifices could not atone for.Penalty: Kingdom of house of Israel to cease. We know this happened in 721 BC when Assyria carried them off into bondage never to return to Palestine again. The point is God divorces Israel - He is no longer their God. The next child's name = prophecy of how God is going treat divorced Israel: "Loruhamah" means "not having mercy." Unlike Israel, God will have mercy on the Southern Kingdom of Judah. The kings of Judah were basically good unlike the kings of Israel who were shockingly wicked. The point is Judah is NOT divorced. The next child produced by Hosea's wife of whoredom is named "Loami" meaning "Israel is not God's people" any longer. Israel is now identified as divorced, not having mercy, and not God's people = punishment for idol worship. This is why the so called lost tribes are hard to find - historians are looking for God-oriented peoples but God says they will not look as such, but just the opposite. This prophecy says the forsaken people of Israel, will multiply to a vast number comparable to the sand of the sea, and where they are in this state of forsakeness they will suddenly be re-adopted by God and known as "the sons of the living God."The Church is known as the sons of the living God. These scattered divorced peoples of the House of Israel escaped from Assyrian captivity and spread out across Asia minor = geographic places where the gospel went FIRST. Jesus tells the disciples to take the gospel first to these forsaken scattered Israelites who will not look like God's people, but will look merciless and forsaken.In this state they will then become known as "the sons of the living God" = the first Churches of the First Century.Jesus was the Law Incarnate whom God killed. Mosaic law said a woman (divorced Israel) could not re-marry until her old husband died = type of Mosaic law typified in Christ who fulfilled the law. The Law is dead and crucified, now God can re-marry divorced Israel who became "sons of the living God" fulfilling Hosea's prophecy. Now all sins can be forgiven because the Temple veil was torn (by God) the moment Christ died.Ray This message has been edited by Herepton, 03-17-2006 11:39 AMThis message has been edited by AdminJar, 03-17-2006 08:07 PM

The remainder of the post. The post I responded to was from Buzsaw who initiated the first blue quote in the previous reply.The relevancy to Isaiah 7 is:The prophecy of young woman/virgin is a no brainer = fulfilled in Christ. Both renderings are true and describe Mary: young woman who was a virgin.The N.T. records the fulfillment. Case closed.IOW if the no-brainer is contested so will the Church in the O.T. prophecies. I only made a brief sketch. My point: Darwinists and atheists have no problem deducing obscure fossil scraps to be as their worldview needs them to be....they have the ability to understand complicated scientific arguments in technical journals, but Isaiah 7 fulfilled in Christ reported by the Gospel writers escapes their faculties = delberate nonsense of anti-Biblical worldviews.Jar has no argument about context. He makes an assertion/straw man....and he is a Christian. How can Jar be a Christian when he opposes everything in the Bible ? Christians support Virgin Birth, Resurrection, miracles, etc. etc.Why doesn't someone show the debate how the context of Isaiah 7 negates the crystal clear prophecy ? THEN I will refute.RayThis message has been edited by Herepton, 03-17-2006 03:29 PM

The Bible contains multiplied hundreds of translation, grammatical, and punctuation errors, and when these errors are corrected by scholarship (as they have) then the Bible is technically inerrant. We also know the Bible contains no factual errors. Also, the Bible at face value appears to contradict and/or be inconsistent. This is an illusion caused by the complexity of its Source (the same illusion, Darwinists say, is caused by a blind watchmaker). The Bible was written in such a way that only gifted men and women, who are called by God, to unfold the complexity and show that there really are no contradictions or inconsistencies.Persons who need the Bible to be wrong champion the illusion. These same people usually have the ability to understand complicated scientific arguments written in technical journals but the same ability applied to the Bible suddenly escapes them. The verse above is referring to the Risen Christ. The: their is His apostles and disciples. These same persons grew up reading the Hebrew scriptures and walked with Jesus for 3 1/2 years yet they still did not understand the meaning UNTIL Christ opened their understanding.If apostles and disciples did not understand then how much more everyone else, especially atheists and Darwinists as is seen in their almost endless nonsensical renderings ?The point is only a person called by God, who has a gift, can open understanding of the Scriptures.Augustine had the gift as did Luther. In modern times: Spurgeon, Morgan, Niebuhr, C.S. Lewis, and of course Dr. Scott.Mankind's only choice is to find someone who they judge to have the gift and listen and learn from them. Otherwise everything and everyone else is just a Tower of Babel.Ray This message has been edited by Herepton, 03-19-2006 04:39 PMThis message has been edited by AdminJar, 03-19-2006 06:44 PM