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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6269 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
The biblical betulah (aTlvTb) usually rendered "virgin," is in fact an ambiguous term which in nonlegal contexts may denote an age of life rather than a physical state. Cognate Akkadian batultu (masculine, batulu) and Ugaritic btlt refer to "an adolescent, nubile, girl." That the woman who is so called need not necessarily be a virgo intacta is shown by the graphic account in a Ugaritic myth of the sexual relations of Baal with the goddess Anath, who bears the honorific epithet btlt (see Pritchard, Texts, 142). Moreover, in an Aramaic incantation text from Nippur there is a reference to a betulta$ (aTlvTb) who is "pregnant but cannot bear" (Montgomery, in bibl. 13:9, p. 178). The male counterpart to betulah in the Bible is often bahur (rBHY), "young man," e.g., Jeremiah 31:12 [13] and Amos 8:13 (cf. Joel 1:8, where a betulah moans for her bridegroom); and the word betulah interchanges with the somewhat synonymous age term almah (hmlA), which also describes a young woman. Thus, in Genesis 24:16, 43, Rebekah is first called a betulah and then an almah. (Exactly the same interchange of the two words appears in a Ugaritic text.)
- Encyclopaedia Judaica [emphasis added - CA]
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6269 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
Is this the only example you have of a possible interchanging of the two words? Yes.
You have not provided any evidence of such legal contexts, ... No, I did not. To continue ...Virginity in a woman was an asset of financial as well as moral significance: a "bride price for virgins" (mohar betulot, TvlBTY rhm), clearly higher than for non-virgins, was payable to her father for the privilege of marrying her. Biblical laws deal with litigation that may arise over the financial and moral stakes of virginity:
- ibid The entry goes on to address "Nonlegal Literature" referencing, for example, Numbers 31:18 and Judges 21:12, and further noting: "Expanding on II Samuel 13:18, Josephus writes that "in ancient times virgins wore long-sleeved tunics reaching to the ankle in order not to be exposed" (Ant., 7:171)." Efforts to suck Virgin Birth prophesy from Isaiah 7 has always impressed me as intellectually impoverished. At least Humpty Dumpty paid words extra when requiring something extra of them. [This message has been edited by ConsequentAtheist, 10-18-2003] [This message has been edited by ConsequentAtheist, 10-18-2003]
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6269 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
Oy Vey!
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6269 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
It's unclear what I've lost. That any comments made by me or others might leave a committed dogmatist unchanged in his or her views is hardly a revelation. Meanwhile, even the Catholic Encyclopedia defines Alma as "A Hebrew word signifying a "young woman", unmarried as well as married, and thus distinct from bethulah, "a virgin" (see Hebrew Lexicons)."
In truth, I have no reason to insist that the young maiden of Isaiah 7 was a virgin; virgin's have sex and lose their virginity as they add to the population all the time. At the same time, as noted by Rabbi Singer: "In fact, although Isaiah used the Hebrew word alma only one time in his entire corpus (7:14), the prophet uses this word virgin (betulah) five times throughout the book of Isaiah (23:4; 23:12; 37:22; 47:1; 62:5)." If the intent was to prop up Christian claims, one would think (along with Kirby) that Isaiah would have made it easier on the poor fundamentalist who must now twist and turn to weave the weakest of apologetics. The bottom line seems well stated by Hahigan:
All things considered, it is hardly surprising that "Matthew" would pull Isaiah a bit out of context and try to wring a new meaning from it. What is surprising is that this literary sleight of hand grew to become such a cornerstone of Christendom and still has modern fundamentalists so befuddled. So let's dust off our Bibles (I like the New Revised English Bible best for clarity and the Revised Standard Version for beauty) and reread the Immanuel prophecy--in context. The setting is the Syro-Ephraimite war (ca. 734 B.C.). Wicked King Ahaz of Judah was frantic about Ephraim (another name for the northern kingdom, Israel) and Damascus (capital of Syria), which were plotting a preemptive strike. Isaiah enters, offering a sign. Ahaz demurs. Isaiah storms at him for his lack of faith and then provides a sign anyway: A male child would be born. Before this child is old enough to know to "refuse evil and choose the good," Assyria would lay waste both Samaria and Damascus (7:16 ). [This sub-prophecy, in fact, came true in 2 Kings 16:9 ; 17:5-6 .] Then, to punish Ahaz, Assyria itself, with Egypt, would arise as a far greater threat. Think about this. If Ahaz was concerned with an imminent attack from Samaria and Syria, why offer a sign that would not occur for seven centuries? To Ahaz this would be no sign at all. - A Virgin-Birth Prophecy? If you ask me, the Gospel that best captures the import of the Virgin Birth is gMark.
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6269 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
Do you have documentation to back up the tweaking of translators?
Read Deuteronomy 32:8, comparing the Septuagint and DSS witnesses (and, just for fun, Targum Pseudo-Jonathan) with the later Masoretic and Onkelos. Then, if you're serious, read Fixing God's Torah: The Accuracy of the Hebrew Bible Text in Jewish Law.
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6269 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
I wonder if you have considered the scholarly conjecture that Matthew was unable to read Hebrew? Perhaps you could cite examples of the "scholarly conjecture". I know of no such conjecture (much less consensus) and look forward to evaluating this new material.
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