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Author Topic:   Prophecy of Messiah: Isaiah 7
Rawel Singh
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Message 130 of 202 (293641)
03-09-2006 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by doctrbill
09-28-2003 11:49 PM


Re: Isaiah 7:14 - 8:10 Contextual Considerations
We seem to rely only on Isaiah for the prophecy. There is a very explicit prophcy being given by God to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15-18 about what the Messiah will do. The most important aspect in that is that he will say the words that God would put in his mouth and he would say nothing else. He would not promote worship of other gods. If we go through the gospels in the New Testament it is difficult to find vrification of this prophecy. In fact the way the gospels are worded they are the words of a man and not God. I am not a Muslim and therefore what I am going to say should be taken objectively. It appears that there are two Messiahs forecst in the Old Testament. Jesus by Isaiah and Mohammad in Deuteronomy. Mohammed and the Quran coform entirely to the prophecy. The scripyure gives no stories, no personal teachings or praise of the Prophet.

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Rawel Singh
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Message 135 of 202 (293792)
03-09-2006 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by arachnophilia
03-09-2006 8:59 PM


Re: wrong jesus as well as No Way at 132
Pray read Deuteronomy 18:18 again. What aspects of the New Testament fit into this prophecy to say that it points to Jesus? In the Gospels, Letters and Revelation, Jesus has been depicted such as if God is incomplete without Jesus.Jesus is quoted as saying in Revelation "I am the Alpha and Omega".These are not words the son of man will say.This is no different from idolatory which has been so vehemently opposed in the Old Testament.You may also read Matthew 27:46 and reflect why God had forsaken Jesus. For the Deuteronomy prophecy to be true for Jesus the New Testament will have to be interpretted so as to say that much of what is attributed to Jesus is really God's and Jesus is not God. So do not call him the only son of God; we all are. Jesus preferred to call himself the son of man.

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Rawel Singh
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Message 138 of 202 (293910)
03-10-2006 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Buzsaw
03-09-2006 10:11 PM


Re: wrong jesus as well as No Way at 132
Thanks. To know if and why Mohammad fits the prophecy one must read the Quran. I have. Throughout that scripture there is not a word except what God is telling Mohammad. This is a one way communication from God to Mohammed, sometimes addressed to the Prophet and sometimes to the people, believers and non-believers. There is not a word about praise of any one else. This is a step ahead of the parts of the Old Testament where there is two way dialogue between God and Moses and earlier Abraham or others.The contents of the Quran are such as if God is Talking using the Prophet's voice. So Prophet Mohammad fits in fully with the Deuteronomy 18:18. For the sake of interest you may compare this with the Gospels in the Bible wherein the only direct word of God seems to be when God says about Jesus, e.g. "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" (Matthew 3:17), that means only to certify Jesus as the anointed one. I will endeavor to carry this dialogue forward if there is tangible response. God Bless!

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Rawel Singh
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Message 139 of 202 (293920)
03-10-2006 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Buzsaw
03-09-2006 8:52 PM


Re: Isaiah 7:14 - 8:10 Contextual Considerations
Sorry i did not answer your question about Mohammed not fitting into the prophecy. Could you pl say what scriptural references you base your observation on? We must authenticate every statement by giving the relevent references. Incidentally the Deuteronomy prophecy says raising the Prophet not from the descendents of Jacob but their brothers. These brothers are those believing in the Old Testament. Pl do not talk of different gods. God is one; only some interpretations of the scriptures have enclosed gods in boxes for selfish reasons. God and Allah are the names of the same Supreme Autority who has not changed from the time He created Himself.
Rawel Singh

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Rawel Singh
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Message 141 of 202 (293949)
03-10-2006 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by ramoss
03-10-2006 10:56 AM


Re: Deuteronomy 18:18
Could you kindly say how you infer that it is meant for the Jews? Pl appreciate that this word 'brothers has not been used anywhere else in this cotext. If itt was for Jews, God would have said 'from among them' and not "from among their brethren". You are aware that Judaism, Chritianity and Islam are called Abrahamic religions and accept Abraham as their patriarch. Hence Jews and Muslims are brothers and mohammad fits in the prophecy well.
Incidently you have not replied how this prophecy fits Jesus; pl give scriptural references.
Let us get out of our cells and widen the spiritual perspective. Islam is a reality, it owes full allegiance to the Old Testament and recognizes the New Testament as a scripture. It even recognizes Virgin Mary and Christ's miracles, but does not agree with the status given to him equal to God. It says there is only one God, He alone is to be worshipped. For the same reason it does not accept the Christian Trinity. These latter are only dogmas and probably may be relooked. Keeping in mind the unity of God and brotherhood of mankind.

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