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Author Topic:   Can I view the Bible manuscripts anywhere?
PaulK
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Message 2 of 27 (96056)
03-30-2004 4:46 PM
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03-30-2004 4:12 PM



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Message 13 of 27 (119844)
06-29-2004 4:48 AM
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06-29-2004 12:24 AM


Re: CODEX MAYERIANUS 48 AD
That would be Constantine Simonides, the seller of forged manuscripts ?
( http://webtext.library.yale.edu/beinflat/pre1600.MS583.htm )
A copy of the book may be found in this collection:
Library, Museums and Press – Online Exhibitions
I don't think that a 19th Century forgery has any bearing on the antiquity of the Gospels.

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Message 17 of 27 (120129)
06-29-2004 6:39 PM
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06-29-2004 6:17 PM


Re: CODEX MAYERIANUS 48 AD
There's a copy of Simonides' book about his "discovery" in the University of Delaware's collection of forgeries and hoaxes and books about them. If you followed the link you would have seen that.

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Message 19 of 27 (120508)
06-30-2004 7:16 PM
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06-30-2004 5:28 PM


Re: CODEX MAYERIANUS 48 AD
Simonides is known as a forger - he even claimed (probably falsely) to have forged the Codex Siniaticus. Nevertheless the "codex" you refer to is certainly not accepted as genuine by the vast majority of experts - it is almost entirely ignored. If Scott is really a big name in authenticating ancient mss and claims that it is genuine then there should be a genuine controversy. Instead all I can find is a few references indicating that it is a forgery.

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Message 21 of 27 (120953)
07-01-2004 7:24 PM
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07-01-2004 6:42 PM


Re: CODEX MAYERIANUS 48 AD
It is obviouslt false to claim that the Jesus Seminar have anythign to do with the obscurity of the alleged codex. It was identified as a fake before the Jesus Seminar formed. It is not identified as genuine even be scholars who oppsoe the Jesus Seminar. I haven't even seen a hint that Carsten Thiede who ha made controversial claims of eraly Bible manuscript has endorsed this codex.
And if a respected expert stood up and said that the "Codex" was genuine there WOULD be contorversy. No matter what the final outcome was. SO the fact that Gene Scott endorses it without producing a controversy does not tell us that there is a conspiracy. It tells us that Gene Scott's opinion is NOT taken seriously by scholars in the relevant areas. No matter what their religious views.
And your claim that I assume that it is a forgery because of Simonides involvement is wholly false. I accept the - apparently unanimous - judgement of the relevant experts that it cannot be counted as genuine.

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