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Author Topic:   If some parts of the Bible can't be trusted how can any of it?
ramoss
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Message 93 of 189 (134632)
08-17-2004 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by almeyda
07-05-2004 4:25 AM


Then, is that why you are rejecting the scientific evidence of evolution? Because to accept that means you have to reject the foundation of your faith?

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Message 94 of 189 (134634)
08-17-2004 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by arachnophilia
07-06-2004 12:18 AM


Well, why don't you go to your local Synagouge, and ask the Rabbi.
I am sure you could learn the biblical Hebrew, which is slightly different than the modern hebrew.
Since Jewish boys have to read from the Torah in Hebrew, they obviously have to learn .. and study with the Rabbi. I know several people, even though they were devote Christians, who learned hebrew from their local Rabbi. (Warning, they did pick up some very Jewish attitudes about religion, even though they did keep their Christian faith).

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Message 114 of 189 (136131)
08-22-2004 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by ROTB
08-22-2004 2:09 PM


Re: The Bible is the Word of God
Actually, it hasn't reformed. .. not like the bible said it should.
Israel is a secular state. It is not a monarchy , that has the temple as it center, and the Torah as it's basis.

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Message 125 of 189 (136185)
08-22-2004 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by ROTB
08-22-2004 9:07 PM


Re: The Bible is the Word of God
Those were other messiah prophecies not fullfilled. Such as, world peace, the Messiah also must be married and have children, and have
years added onto his life.
So far, no person has met the following requirements to be the Messiah
Qualifications The successful candidate will have attributes that must include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following: 1. Be the seed (a direct descendant through the unbroken male line) of King David, through King Solomon (e.g., 2 Sam 7:12-16; Is 11:1; Jer 23:5, 30:9, 33:15; Ezek 34:23-24, 37:24) 2. Be a spiritual and military/political leader (e.g., Is 2:3, 11:2; Dan 7:14) 3. Be married and have children during his term (e.g., Ezek 46:16-17)
All of the Jewish people will return from their exile among the nations to their home in Israel (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). The law of the Jubilee will be reinstated
In the Olam Ha-Ba, the whole world will recognize the Jewish G-d as the only true G-d, and the Jewish religion as the only true religion (Isaiah 2:3; 11:10; Micah 4:2-3; Zechariah 14:9). There will be no murder, robbery, competition or jealousy. There will be no sin (Zephaniah 3:13). Sacrifices will continue to be brought in the Temple, but these will be limited to thanksgiving offerings, because there will be no further need for expiatory offerings.

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ramoss
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Message 163 of 189 (136518)
08-24-2004 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by ROTB
08-24-2004 4:48 AM


Re: The Bible is the Word of God
You know.. I would like to see where you get your supposed numbers.
Did you know that when people quote statistics, they are made up on the spot 90% of the time??

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Message 164 of 189 (136521)
08-24-2004 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by ROTB
08-24-2004 4:48 AM


Re: On Prophesy.
Your formula is not taking into account the biblical leap years.

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Message 166 of 189 (136534)
08-24-2004 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by crashfrog
08-24-2004 10:52 AM


It's simple.
He had to fudge the calculation to try to make the years fit the prediction.
Of course, when it comes to the date of 1 A.D. for Jesus.. the problem with that is that according to Matthew, Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the King, who died in 4 B.C.. so that screws the calcuation up there.
ANd, of course, Luke has Jesus being born during the census that Rome took when Judah first became a providence of Syria, which was 6 C.E., so that is screwed up according to Luke.

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Message 176 of 189 (137025)
08-26-2004 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by ROTB
08-25-2004 4:54 AM


Re: Prophecy?
Well, Matthew , Luke and John are all dated later than 80. Mark is dated between 65 and 80.
Early Christian Writings: New Testament, Apocrypha, Gnostics, Church Fathers

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Message 177 of 189 (137029)
08-26-2004 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by ROTB
08-25-2004 4:54 AM


Re: The Bible is the Word of God
Excuse me, but 'messanic rabbi's" are not rabbi's per say. They are not Jewish. They might play at being Jewish all they want, but they have volentarily abandoned their faith.

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