How does science disprove the Bible?

IamJoseph It is the miracles that are the heart of debate for the veracity of biblical literalism. Since the description of Isaiah is incapable of being correct not just for the impossibility of its happening physically it is also unrecorded elsewhere and thus should be considered a exaggeration in the extreme by writers who had little knowledge of the actual workings of the world. But the historical mathematical and scientific are events and things we can dispute or verify again based on their capability of being valid. My post was aimed at the question in the OP and I have shown a case for the scientific impossibility of the verse in Isaiah.As an aside, please present a mathematical or scientific verse that details a correct understanding of the world would you?

sidelined, if Isaiah 38:8 was a miracle and took place in One Planck time, Who would have noticed the event other than the one looking for it?Enjoy

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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In one Planck time even the guy looking would miss it.

Why do you think that? As I said, they were meticulous record keepers. I don't find it unreasonable to suspect that major Israelite families would have been keeping their own genealogical records, which the OT writers cribbed. That would also explain the genealogical inconsistencies in the OT account; the result of synthesizing the records of several houses that had, individually, "scrubbed" or altered their genealogy for self-serving reasons.And perhaps the records don't go back as far as you think; it's highly likely that the tail end of these records would all doubtless be the same religious fabrication - as in, everybody started their genealogy from the same ficticious basis. Just to put it in perspective how wrong you are about how unlikely this is, the Great Library of Alexandria was founded in the 3rd century BC and stood until it's destruction nearly 1000 years later. You're going to have to explain in greater depth what exactly you think is so wrong about what I'm saying. They were meticulous record-keepers, so why would it be so unusual for them to have records?

1 Planck time - 1.85510^-43 of a second.King Hezekiah would have to be a very observant fellow to take notice.Well there is this and also Joshua's Long Day.These are myths and legends! Not true and real stories! People don't embarrass yourselves by trying to apply some pseudoscience to somehow make it true.The simple fact, demonstrated in other ancient writings and stories, is that the ancient progenitors of these myths lacked understanding of the true nature of the solar system.

I know he would not see it happen only the results of the sun being in a different place that it was moments ago.But with only 10 degrees no one else would notice the difference because they would not be looking for the event.Enjoy

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hezekiah would have only saw the results, not what was taking place. What is wrong with there being a miracle of a long day. Since God is light He could appear and we would have no darkness.Enjoy

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Let me begin with a question of my own. How many of those 2million species live in the water and how many are land dwelling? It would also be helpful to know how many are insects. When you find the answers, we can discuss the food supply in more detail, but let me go ahead and point out that Noah and his family had plenty of time to prepare for the flood. It is highly likely that they thought to bring along a few nets for catching fish to feed the carnivores. Who knows, they may even have been able to gather enough flotsam to feed every herbivore on board as well. A world-wide flood would leave a lot of plants floating on the water. We must also keep in mind that the birds were able to leave the ark to search for food (Gen 8:6-12), thus we will need to know how many of the 2 million species are birds. There were actually seven of every kind of clean beast and seven of every kind of bird brought onto the ark (Gen 7:2-3). This might have been done to provide for the needs of carnivores. We must also remember that the fish were not destroyed by the flood (Gen 7:21-23). As for the herbivores, the Bible clearly shows that Noah did not leave the Ark until plant life had resumed on the earth (Gen 8:10-12). Actually, the exact distances between the stars is unknown. Scientists have made some educated guesses based on assumed characteristics, but they still cannot say with certainty how far the stars are from the earth. But let’s assume for the moment that those guesses are correct. Dr. Russell Humphreys from the Institute for Creation Research has provided an answer for this question. I don’t believe his most recent findings have been published as yet, but let me quote the synopsis provided by ICR in their July 2007 issue of Acts and Facts.

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Recently, Dr. Russell Humphreys, as part of the ICR COSMOS program, reported that he has successfully developed a new solution to Einstein’s equation of
general relativity which lays a foundation for a new creationist cosmology. His solution
is based on using boundary conditions which place earth at the center of the heavens
rather than at some insignificant position in a universe with no center or outer
boundary. He had reported earlier in Starlight and Time that time would be slowed
dramatically near the center of such a cosmos because of the gravitational effects of
the mass of stars surrounding earth. In other words, a day on earth would be equivalent
to millions or billions of years at the stars far from earth, resulting in sufficient time
for their light to reach earth in only thousands of years of earth time. Dr. Humphreys has now formulated his model into predictive equations which can be used to explain other observations and validate his solution, such as the red shifts of stars, the rotation of galaxies, and the “Pioneer Anomaly.”

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quoted from Error | The Institute for Creation Research

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The movement of the earth through space is often accepted as a proven fact when, in reality, all available evidence leads to the exact opposite conclusion. In fact Steven Hawking himself admitted as much in his book A Brief History of Time just before stating that he refused to believe that the earth was at the center of the universe because he was too modest to think of his planet as being something special (Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time: From the Big Bang to Black Holes - New York: Bantam Books, 1990 - pg. 42). This verse merely states that the earth has a circle which is true, for all spheres are composed of circles. Actually, the wind direction is predominantly North East or North West and South East or South West as you can see in this picture . How many descendents of Abraham are alive right now? Do you know? Can you tell me how many descendants of Abraham were alive at any point in history from the time of Abraham’s death until now? Have you ever even tried to list all the countries that the Jewish people currently live in?The Bible states that God will multiply Abraham’s descendants as the stars of heaven (Gen 22:17). It claims that the Jewish people will be so numerous that one will no more be able to count them than he could count the number of stars in the sky or sand on the seashore (Gen 13:16, 15:5, 32:12). It never states that there will be as many descendants of Abraham as there are stars in the sky; just that they will be equally innumerable. I think that the Bible has already answered this one far better than I ever could .

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Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

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Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness? (II Peter 3:3-11)

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Since all fish would have been destroyed by the flood - it being impossible for the vast majority of fish to survive such a drastic change to their environment's salinity and silt load - the existence of fish in the contemporary world is evidence both of the flood being a myth and the Bible being false. Um, no, that's not really what he says at all. Abundantly false. Parallax gives us a very precise measurement of the distance of the nearest stars to the Earth. That sets a minimum distance, of course, for all the others. Again, abundantly false. With more than 99% of the mass of the solar system concentrated in the Sun, it's obvious that the Earth revolves around the Sun rather than the reverse being true. And, indeed, it's obvious that the Sun must rotate around the super-massive center of the galaxy, like all other Milky Way stars.There's just no doubt in the 21st century that the scientific model of the universe is correct and the geocentric model is proven false. Not "has", "is". And a sphere and a circle are very different.

Bologna. The distances to most stars within about 100 parsecs of here are known to within a few percent. Te distance to the several hundred billion stars that make up the galaxy Messier 106 are known to within about 4%. And that distance is 25,000,000 light years.

And just how does planck time or any other pseudoscience explanations help you out here? Ummm.... altering the rotation of the earth would have several disastrous consequences that would tend to get noticed. Oh but one could also accelerate the sun and planets and leave the earth alone. This would also have several disastrous consequences that would tend to get noticed. That is probably one of the most strained and contrived explanations I have heard yet. ICANT you do have a away of interpreting and twisting scripture to fit whatever your present purpose is.So do you believe that John 1:5 was referring to physical light.Joshua and the King Hezekiah myth refer to day light not God's light.

ICANT I just went back to read the relevant passage in Joshua Chapter 10.It reads... Does this sound like God making a half-time appearance and lighting the way for the Israelites to complete their genocidal mission. Nice ethical message there to boot.And the part of God hurling stones is great stuff too. This is a caricature of God.But keeping to the topic. Passages about shadows moving backward and the Sun holding sway certainly indicates the that text is not "divinely inspired". Unless you are of the opinion that God, the creator of galaxies, will suspend the laws locally just to help one tribe kill off another.But if this God suspends the physical laws why would he involve himself in seemingly earthy and mundane ways such as "hurl stones from heaven" just to help out. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

ICANT You really do not think through the consequence of your statements ICANT because if you did you would realize that you have just said that the sun had taken a movement back along its path equivalent to nearly 1/20 of its entire horizon to horizon movement through the sky. { 180 degrees divided by 10 degrees}
This is significant enough to be noticed especially when all shadows will do the same thing. The person sitting in the shade of the tree to escape the hot sun now finds themselves in sunlight once again.How you can imagine that such significant events can be overlooked is symptomatic of the ludicrous nature of the assumption that such an event actually occurred rather than was a writers embellishment of the history they were trying to convey is simply stunning and of indefensible origin. You read into the paragraphs that which is not evidenced by them.The hoofbeats of zebras must be all around you these days.

I believe the most common interpretation is that this is the "royal we" or the "plural of majesty". This is common usage in semitic languages (check out any Hebrew or Arabic grammar text), as well as in western languages. An alternative interpretation is that this is speaking of the Trinity.If the author were speaking of a true plural (multiple gods, or God and angels) the verb "create" should also be plural. But it is not; it is singular. This implies either a plural of majesty or a plural seen as a unity (e.g. the Trinity).

Note that the Bible does NOT say that the earth's rotation stopped or reversed. The shadow moved--that's all. There are lots of much less invasive ways that this could occur. And the Bible suggests that this effect was limited to the land of Palestine (2 Chronicles 32:30-31): Even DeYoung and Whitcomb of ICR (i.e. they hold to young-earth, flood geology, etc.) call this a "miracle of light refraction" which was limited only to "the king's courtyard" (Our Created Moon, pp. 102-103).The cause of the shadow's motion is unexplained, but there is no conflict between science and the biblical text on this issue.