Did Jesus exist, Part II

Double post. See next post.This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 05:50 PM

Are there any professors of history at major universities who deny that Jesus ever existed? I don't think so. The Jesus didn't exist school is dominated by non-historians who are not familar with historiography methods.I cite the following about a professor of German (not history) who is widely cited by the Jesus didn't exist school:

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In his book, I Believe in the Historical Jesus, Howard Marshall points out that in the early to mid 20th century, one of the few "authorities" to consider Jesus as a myth was a Soviet Encyclopaedia. He then goes on to discuss the work of GA Wells which was then recently published.

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There is said to be a Russian encyclopaedia in current use which affirms in a brief entry that Jesus Christ was the mythological founder of Christianity, but it is virtually alone in doing so. The historian will not take its statement very seriously, since ... it offers no evidence for its assertion, and mere assertion cannot stand over against historical enquiry. But more than mere assertion is involved, for an attempt to show that Jesus never existed has been made in recent years by GA Wells, a Professor of German who has ventured into New Testament study and presents a case that the origins Christianity can be explained without assuming that Jesus really lived. Earlier presentations of similar views at the turn of the century failed to make any impression on scholarly opinion, and it is certain that this latest presentation of the case will not fare any better.

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quote from: Scholarly opinions on the Jesus Myth

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Name one professor of history in the link you cited.Name one professor of history at any major university in the whole wide world who denies Jesus existed.Thank you.

Does Karen King deny that Jesus ever existed? Do you have a quote of Karen King denying that Jesus ever existed?Thank you.

TO: the upsidedown batguyre: historians - I am guessing Phillip Schaff, Michael Grant, or Sherwin-White would affirm Jesus existed (see this quote of Michael Grant at: http://www.michaelhorner.com/...cles/resurrection/index.htmlHere is what the historian Sherwin-White said about the book of Acts which does state that Jesus appeared in post resurrection appearances and he appeared in post resurrection appearances in many infallible proofs:"For Acts the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming. Any attempt to reject its basic historicity even in matters of detail must now appear absurd." (Sherwin-White, Roman Society, p. 189).Also since law/history both weigh historical evidence I would offer this:

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Legal Apologetics

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Numerous arguments have been put forth by legal scholars such as Simon Greenleaf, John Warwick Montgomery and others stating that western legal standards argue for the historicity of the resurrection of Christ. Page not found | bibleteacher.org MTI Front Page Online Hotel Reserveren in Utrecht
Law Religion Culture Review: 01/01/2005 - 02/01/2005 In addition, legal authorities' statements regarding the historicity of the resurrection of Christ are cited. Page Not Found - JA Show ....

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quoted from: CreationWiki, Apologetics at: http://www.nwcreation.net/wiki/index.php?title=Apologetics

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It is not just Sherwin-White according to Sherwin-White:

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For the New Testament of Acts, the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming. Any attempt to reject its basic historicity, even in matters of detail, must now appear absurd. Roman historians have long taken it for granted.

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A. N. Sherwin-White
Classical Roman Historian

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http://www.leaderu.com/...student/easter/articles/josh2.html

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Second historians look at things wholistically (context, immediacy of sources, archaeological confirmation, etc. etc. I am obviously not going to type in a book in the internet. But here is one portion concerning Sherwin-White:

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According to Sherwin-White, the writings of Herodotus enable us to determine the rate at which legend accumulates, and the tests show that even two generations is too short a time span to allow legendary tendencies to wipe out the hard core of historical facts. When Professor Sherwin-White turns to the gospels, he states that for the gospels to be legends, the rate of legendary accumulation would have to be "unbelievable." More generations would be needed.

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The Evidence For Jesus

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He uses Herodotus because it fits the culteral milieu at the time/culture concerned.

TO: BuzzsawI think you buzzed off that squirrels head (see avatar).This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 09:23 PM

TO: BuzzsawThanks for the welcome. By the way, CreationWiki could use you at CreationWiki creating content (see: CreationWiki at: http://www.nwcreation.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page ).

I suggest reading the Sherwin-White work and Michael Grant work cited. I am not going to type a book into the internet. I would also read about Sir William Ramsey's investigation concerning Acts.This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 10:43 PM

I suggest reading this work: Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels (Paperback) by Michael Grant Amazon.com

TO: JarYOu wrote:

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But outside the Bible there is really nothing on Jesus.

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Do you have any quotes of historians making this comment? If you do, it should be easy to find a history professor who denies Jesus existed which is something you haven't been able to do.

TO:JarI don't think you have even read the Christian Apologetics 101 literature.For example, did Polycarp refer to Jesus in his letters? (Polycarp was a disciple of the Apostle John). Did Polycarp swear allegiance to Jesus at his martyrdom?

The Letter of Polycarp to the FilippiansHere is an excerpt:Translation:
Polycarp, and the older people who are with him,
to the God's assembly which is staying at Filippi:
Mercy and peace be multiplied to you from Almighty God, and from the Lord Anointed Jesus, our Saviour.ONEI have rejoiced greatly together with you in our Lord, Anointed Jesus, because (as it was appropriate for you) you have followed the example of true love and have accompanied those who were bound in chains, the ornaments of holy people, and which are indeed the crowns of the true chosen ones of God and of our Lord; and because the strong root of your trust, spoken of in days long past, remains even until now and produces fruit to our Lord, Anointed Jesus, who suffered for our sins even to the point of death. "God raised him from the dead, having loosed the suffering of Hades." "You trust in him, though now you do not see him, and in trusting, you rejoice with unspeakable joy and full of glory." Into this joy many desire to enter, knowing that "by generosity you are saved, not of deeds," but by God's wishes through Anointed Jesus.from: http://www.friktech.com/rel/pcarp.htm

TO: JarIt was very easy to find one on short notice and away from my library. I would suggest reading the writings of Dr. Habermas and maybe a introductory work like Josh McDowell's New Evidence that Demands a Verdict if you want all the references to Jesus or the number of references to Jesus.I am retiring from EVCForum. It is 11:15 pm where I am.