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Author Topic:   The Time Problem With A Mythical Jesus
jar
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Message 9 of 76 (137823)
08-29-2004 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by PaulK
08-29-2004 5:31 AM


Where was Kilroy?

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jar
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Message 18 of 76 (137895)
08-29-2004 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Jasonb
08-29-2004 5:07 PM


Can you please state which UFO story you are referring to so we can sufficiently compare it to the mythical Jesus claim.
You keep refering to the mythical Jesus claim as though there were something unique about the Jesus stories. I'm not sure that I understand what it is you are saying. Can you outline for us what you find unique or unusual about the Jesus stories?

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jar
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Message 23 of 76 (137904)
08-29-2004 5:32 PM
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08-29-2004 5:28 PM


But all of the elements of the Jesus Myth were already present and had been around for thousands of years. So it might not have been something new but simply taking existing myths and transfering them to some other context.

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jar
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Message 38 of 76 (138068)
08-30-2004 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Jasonb
08-30-2004 11:01 AM


So many of the things you talk about and in particular, the issue of the first few centuries of the christian era, predate anything we would recognize as the Bible. They were an oral history, and there was little in the way of a canon. There were many Gospels floating around, and those Gospels contained many extradordinary accounts. Most of the Gospels (probably about 50 all told) contained things that were later deemed unfit to be included. For example, there are the Young Jesus Gospels, the Book of Enoch, the Gospels of Thomas and Mary, the Stories of Adam and Eve. Parts of these later became incorporated into the existing Biblical books, for example the brief mention of Sons of God, but the connections to the longer versions have pretty much been forgotten.
It was only several centuries after Christ's death that anything we would recognize today as Christianity was formalized.
You have to look at what was claimed about Jesus. He healed the sick. Gave sight to the blind.
And such things have continued. Simply take some time and read the Lives of the Saints and you will see example after example of such acts. It is precisely because such things can be adopted and spread quickly that the Church is so methodical about the process of canonazation.

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jar
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Message 50 of 76 (138155)
08-30-2004 2:48 PM
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08-30-2004 11:35 AM


The p52 fragment is without question from the Gospel of John. Dating it to 125 AD puts the claims sometime before that. That pushes the claims very close to the events, not centuries after.
Jason, no one is disputing that. What is in question though, is the Bible. There is little doubt that the Ryland fragment is part of the Gospel of John, it is not at all certain just what the Gospel of John was. One thing that is known, based on the existing copies of various books and gospels is that there were various versions of most being circulated. Even the finally accepted copies of the four gospels tell slightly different stories except where it is apparent that sections were coppied from an earlier work.
So the story of Jesus, as told in the early Gospels is not uniform. In the Gospel of Thomas, for example, an entirely different version of Jesus is portrayed, one that is far closer to the Gnostic tradition than that of John.
While you simply dismiss the suggestion to look at the Lives of the Saints, it would be productive. There you will see that in far less than 70 years, stories every bit as amazing as those told about Jesus rise up and take firm hold. They will show that a legend can even be created within the lifetime of the individual, far less than 70 years.

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jar
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Message 56 of 76 (138308)
08-30-2004 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Cold Foreign Object
08-30-2004 10:07 PM


What is your spin on the hundreds of missing planes and ships that disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle ? (without a trace in clear weather)(proof for Atlantis ?)
It's just like pyramidology and most of the other nonsense myths. There is nothing strange about the so called Bermuda Triangle. Neither Lloyd's of London or the US Coast Guard show any unusual rate of incidents there.
Lloyd's of London and the Bermuda Triangle
Since 1688, Lloyd's Of London has been a leader in Maritime Insurance. As such, Lloyd's has been tracking maritime accidents for over three centuries. Becuase Lloyd's potentially loses money with every shipping accident, they establish insurance rates based on the histories of companies and areas of the ocean.
For instance, ships operating in areas where a history of piracy exists will suffer higher premiums. Ships that operate in areas with hidden reefs or other water obstacles will also suffer higher premiums. Places that seem to have more than the usual number of shipping accidents would also be listed as potential insurance risk. Lloyd's of London does not charge higher premiums for ship operating in the area known as the Bermuda Triangle. Why? Statistically the area is as safe as other areas of the Oceans. They don't insure against myths.
To check I went to Lloyd's site and did a search on Bermuda Triangle. Guess what, no results returned.
start your research here
The proof that a flying saucer crashed at Roswell is a no brainer, why do UFO's and aliens scare you ?
What proof? So far no one has ever been able to bring any evidence forward.

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