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Rainman2
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Message 15 of 123 (300092)
04-01-2006 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by ramoss
04-01-2006 9:24 AM


Mark13
I don't think Mark 13 is already fufilled. Because for one thing it mentions the "abomination of desolation" spoken of by Daniel in chapters 11-12 where it says the vision is for the "end of the days". Also it mentions the resurection (Dan12:2). Also it becomes more clear in Matthew ch.24 where it specifically says that the disciples were asking
"...when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

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Rainman2
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Message 35 of 123 (300755)
04-03-2006 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Brian
04-01-2006 3:23 PM


Re: Temple
Well in John 2:19 it's true that he is talking about his body being crucified and raised in three days. But Matthew 24 isn't talking about the same time. In John he was talking to the pharisees that were trying to trap him, in Matt.24 and Mark 13 he is talking to his disciples who are asking him about future events.
It's true that a prophecy can be "fufilled" partially in an earlier time, kind of like a picture of the future. Like Randman said about the oxen that shouldn't be muzzled. Their are many examples like that. e.g Moses said that God would raise up a prophet like him(Deut.18:18). Moses was like an imperfect picture of Jesus, he lead the people out of the bondage of Egypt, but Jesus leads people out of the bondage of sin. Also the whole sacrificial system was just a imperfect picture of Christ, which is why John the Baptist said "behold the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sins of the world." I believe their are also examples in history, although I can't confirm it with the bible.
my own thoughts (not necasarilly true): I think that guy during the French revolution,Robspierre or whatever his name was had some simularities with the anti-christ. He tryed to make himself a God, he was seen by many as a good person, he rose to power with a small group of people, he beheaded his enemies, also Hitler, and Antiochus who sacrificied a pig in the Jewish temple. Not that they fufilled every prophecy,but it lets people see a preveiw of what it will be like. Although to a lower degree.
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Rainman2
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Message 38 of 123 (301694)
04-06-2006 5:02 PM
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04-06-2006 3:26 PM


Re: Antichrists
I don't know what the idea of three anti-christ is based on. But the bible says that the spirit of anti-christ is in the world and there will be many false Christs. I'm not saying that those people were actually fufilling the prophecey of the anti-christ but when he comes he would have some similarities.
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Rainman2
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Message 40 of 123 (302110)
04-07-2006 4:27 PM
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04-06-2006 7:49 PM


Re: Antichrists
The way I see it is the spirit of anticrist mentioned by John,
quote:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1John4:3
has an influence over people and when someone follows it they become an antichrist. And there are many example of antichrists, like that guy from the Ralien Revolution which if that's the way you spell it you just take of the r's and it's "Alien Evolution" which is what they teach with their not so sneaky word games, (getting off focus/don't want to be one of those conspiracy people)..... anyway
The Antichrist singular I believe will be much more directly influenced by this spirit
And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. Dan:24
When it says not by his own power I think it mean by the devils power (the spirit of antichrist), which would make sense since he is the Antichrist.
..sorry I couldn't get to the link most web-hosting is blocked here (TBC)
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