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Author Topic:   Man in gods image... How ?
shiloh
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Message 15 of 82 (406618)
06-21-2007 3:22 PM


Well I have to leave soon so I will give a teaser.
The fact of the matter is that man was created to image God - that is as if God himself were present overseeing the earth, it is a delegated authority. Context suggest stewardship - Ch. 1:27
It not form but function. Anything that you try to suggest that is the image either flucuates or is absent in some indivuals or is present in some animals - this can not be the image. Furhtermore, the image is still in effect after the fall 9:6.
The problem seems to be in the understanding of the word "in."
In Hebrew and in English there are many different use for this preposition.
A few examples are 1. The spoon is in the sink -location. 2. I work in electronics - function or capacity.
Also Jesus is the image of God - "If you have seen me you have seen the Father."
More can be said but I got to go.

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shiloh
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Message 18 of 82 (406732)
06-22-2007 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Nighttrain
06-21-2007 10:47 PM


Re: Who?
I was not talking about his appearance but His life's work and character. He did only those things that the Father showed him and all He did pleased the Father.
If you understood the post in which you quoted me you should have understood that. When we image God we reflect his ways and His will, and thereby honor Him.
Furthermore, as if a picture of Jesus really matters in light of our spiritual problems.

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shiloh
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Message 20 of 82 (406795)
06-22-2007 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Nighttrain
06-22-2007 6:26 AM


Re: Who?
Please,
I doubt that a picture would really help you - people like you who act as if everything in life needs to be PROVED in a certain way would just find some way to doubt the picture. And we would end up having a thousand year debate on it. People like you look for absolute answers to everthing when all that may be necessary is a reasonable probability. You don't really want things in the bible to be reconciled you just gravitate towards finding fault. Whats funny is you don't really live life on proof - you make descisions every day on experience couple with infrence and still get it wrong somtimes.
This why a picture might NOT "go a long way in proving whether Jesus really existed."
I dont think you really understand the nature of evidence in a historical sense.
I also doubt that you really understand the nature of proof. How you go about proving one thing may not be how one goes about proving another.
I don't know many people whether atheist or not that still believe that Jesus never existed.
If this is your only response to my post, which is off the topic of the image issue then I'll take that as if you do not have anything else to say about that.
Thanks for your responses.

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shiloh
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Message 22 of 82 (407105)
06-24-2007 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Nighttrain
06-24-2007 2:55 AM


Re: Who?
First off since christians believed that Jesus was God in the flesh and the OT said not to make any graven image of anthing in heaven I think they had serious doubts about describing or issuing a portrait. More importantly your wish is irrelevent to the purpose of Christ coming.
It is not reading that troubles you but understanding. Read John 12:44-50.
What they saw was His character, His testimony, and His works. The Father is who He represented and the Father has no form He is Spirit.
Read the context: Jesus ask "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not KNOW me. What? They should have known what He looked like -no He is talking about knowing Him in a personal and trusting manner reguarding Him being the Messiah - all of which was prophesied in the OT regauring His lifes purpose and mission. Take the scales off your eyes. The testimony of Christ's life, character, works, and ressurection is enough. We don't need your arbitrary desries for proof in the form of some picture or physical description of Jesus.
Read Matt. 13:11-23.
"Awake you who sleep, Arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light."
"Let your light show shine before men that they see your good works and glorify your Father in Heaven" - I think Jesus was the Example. Duh!
"Thomas, because you have seen me you believe. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe..." Jn. 20:29-31.
Also Read John 17 particularly v.6-8
Also if you have to have a description - here is one in Isaiah 52:14; 53:2-3.

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