The Trinity

exactly ...power can comfort you can it not?

Wrong, but that's a different topic. Wrong, but that's a different topic. Why couldn't God just "poof" our sin away with His magic wand? Why would all that silly kill-my-son-to-appease-me nonsense be "necessary"?But that's yet another topic. (Hat trick! ) Being tempted with us, maybe even sinning with us....Sin is a very big part of being human. How could He have been truly human without the guilt and shame of having sinned?------------- Ephesians 4:13 and Hebrews 5:8-9 talk about Jesus as an example, a goal for us to shoot for. He was the most perfect example that Paul could give. I don't think that necessarily means that Jesus was perfect - i.e. completely without sin.It isn't really an important point, though.Edited by Ringo, : Capitalization.

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How does that make power a "person"?ABE: My mistake. The quote was from SK, not Faith. Edited by Ringo, : No reason given.

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perfection is nothing wrong with you whatsover, does that mean you cant do wrong things? nope. God gave free will to adam and eve to do whatever they want. essentially they were neither inclined to do good or bad things...."middleground" because he is just...can you just ignore an car accident you caused and not pay back the guy you hit? nope you have to what? pay the VALUE of what you took away from the victim of the car crash. Lets say someone kidnaps your friend and they ask for a ransom....that ransom is then considered by the kidnappers to be "equal" to the life and well being of your friend. can you just ignore that?God just poofing and taking away sin, would result in him being a liar he told them that if adam ate from the tree of life he would DIE. Now why did Adam die? because HE SINNED.here look :James 1: 15 talking about what sin causes:[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
so if god took away sin with a poof he would be LYING to adam and eve that if they ate from the tree they would die

idk its pretty clear in Hebrews that "he was madeperfect" and the author of our salvation author referring to what you said of him being an example for us so why would it be "seperate"? no nonono i didnt it mean it like that ringo, i meant like comparing it to a warm fire,,,fire is a source of power, or the sun ...each one can comfort you ..im not saying that power is a person lol

Okay, we humans are the sinners, but who's the "victim" of sin? Who are we paying?When you cause a car accident, does the judge say, "Kill my son and we'll call it even"?
That isn't justice, it's insanity. Because he was human. Humans die.But what does any of that have to do with the trinity?

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In this post you are attributing a statement to me that is not mine, Ringo. I didn't say "power can comfort you can it not?"Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You too, SK, are misattributing a quote to me that is not mine. I never said "Ever hear of personification."This is getting to be an epidemic already.

I was replying to Faith. She apparently thinks that power (i.e. the Holy Spirit) is a person. I'm not sure what you mean.

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Humans die because Adam disobeyed god and ate from the forbidden tree. If God would have poofed ..as i explained before ...it would make him a liar no but he does say to recompensate the victim that is "equal" from either money or the part itself that you damaged.actually we are the victims...we had nothing to do with adam sinning and choosing to ignore god, thus giving us the consequence. its like a guy skips the red light(ignoring law i.e god) and crashes into a car and both ppl die. The victim had nothing to do with the guy passing the red light ..he had NO fault in the accident yet HE ALSO suffered the consequences. Sin is an inherited trait we have from Adam the ORIGINAL sinner. We are the Victims and Jesus was the Price or value of Adam to get us back.

its called confusion, and i think i deserve some slack since im new here and not familiar how this forum is organized or what buttons do what

Right you are. But the point still stands: the passage you quoted personifies the power of the Holy Spirit - i.e. it describes something which is not a person as a person.

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exactly..its giving the holy spirit/ghost (god's energy) a personification of what it can do, in this case comfortEdited by SK, : edit

See, that doesn't make any sense. We are the sinners and we are the victims. If there is compensation to be paid, then we need to pay it to each other.God doesn't enter into it at all, except as the Judge. His role is to make sure we pay each other the appropriate compensation. But you have Him offering His Son as compensation.It's none of His business or Jesus' business to pay the compensation. It's our business.

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The word "Bible" isn't in the Bible either. Oddly enough the word "Christian" IS in the Bible but it might not have been. I'm sure "Christianity" isn't in the Bible. Neither is the word "Fallen" or "Original Sin." We use words to describe what we find in the Bible. The Bible doesn't have to use those words.The Trinity is implied in many many parts of the Bible, all through the Old Testament as well as the NT -- which surprised me when it was first presented to me, but it's all there. I wish I could find all my notes on that teaching. I have the tapes though, but he often didn't list every scripture on the tapes as he did in the notes.These are the many places where Jesus is described as having the powers of God, the Holy Spirit is described as having the powers of God and of course God the Father is described with those powers, PLUS the many places where the Father is described as a personality, and the Holy Spirit too; Jesus of course is described as a personality. The Messiah in the Old Testament is often described as being God Himself, though that is oddly often overlooked. The Trinity is the result of putting all these scriptural descriptions together. Digging up the references would be laborious and often doesn't seem worth it in this EvC atmosphere in which such contributions often just get ignored, but perhaps I'll get motivated to do so at some point.The Trinity is important mostly because it acknowledges that Jesus is God against so many belief systems that deny it. Jesus is spoken of as God in many many ways in scripture, but of course it is always possible to rationalize such references away.You have the typical misunderstanding that a person must be finite, rather than omnipresent as the Holy Spirit is, when you ask me to explain how He could indwell hundreds of people at once.But "person" simply means He is an independent personality, not that he occupies some portion of space. In fact He is invisible and omnipresent, pure Spirit. "Person" means that He acts independently of the Father and the Son. This can be demonstrated from many scriptures. The one I gave above about how He will be sent as teh comforter to lead us into all truth, and will testify of Jesus, is a start. I'll try to remember all the others. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.