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Actually, there are fewer Jews living in Jerusalem (ie the "old city") *today* than ever.When the Muslims liberated the persecuted Christians and (nearly exterminated) Jews of Jerusalem in 638 BCE , they allowed Jews to return and were afforded complete protection and freedom.Jews had access to the Wailing Wall.Jerusalem became a center of Judaism.The Temple was rebuilt. (Christians were using it as a garbage dump to insult Jews, but after the Arabs liberated Christians and Jews from East Rome/Byzantium, the insulting garbage dump was discontinued and the garbage cleared).True, the Crusaders invaded Jerusalem 461 years later (1099 AD) and killed all Jews in Jerusalem yet again, but the Muslims took Jerusalem back and Jews prospered again-even becoming the majority by the mid-1800s.However,since the Zionism movement started, Jerusalem has become a war-torn region.And Jews no-longer live in the "old-city". South Africa was 10% white and 90% native, yet whites ruled.Rhodesia was only 3% white and 96% native , yet whites ruled.It all depends on who has the superior weapons,better trained military-officers, etc.Speaking of which...The best Russia had to offer essentially made up the Israeli army in 1948.Edited by Nimrod, : No reason given.

Im saying that as a percentage of the population, Jews are much much smaller in the Old City.Im pointing out that the "Old City" is the ancient Jeruslam that we think of when we talk about "Jerusalem" in past times.But understand my point.I am responding to your claim that 1948 somehow witnessed some ground-breaking prophetic event where Jews gained the ability to control Jerusalem, and formed the major percentage of inhabitants, like never in the past 1800+ years. (The above quote sounds like it was something I said,anyway...)Your link shows (see Late Ottoman Period) that the "old city" was so crowded by 1860 (1 sq.km and full of the residents) that the "New City" began to be developed.The fact is that Jews were the largest religious group in 1860 Jerusalem; forming at least a plurality and probably the absolute majority.They were living in the "Old City" which is historic Jerusalem.Today-essentially following the situation that political events in 1948 created- Jews live outside the historic "Old City" and infact make up an extremely small percentage of the residents in the historic population center of ancient "Jerusalem".Hence your "1948 AD" interpretation of 1900 year old prophecies is severely flawed.

... Might want to re-adjust your timeline.(here I will start the historical coverage- from the world-class conservative Christian historian Charles Pfeiffer- after 2 Aramaic Christian legions joined the Arab armies in liberating jerualem from the opressive East Roman empire) Might want to move the 1967 prophecy back to 638 AD! But "Israel" (which you define as ethnic Jews; Paul in Galatians 3:26-29 and Romans 10-12 defines "Israel" as believers in Christ) is now absent in the "old city" of Jerusalem.Your definition of "Israel" that is.The return of Jews came just after 638 AD (actually,they did return slightly before 638 AD when the Persians let them back, which they were promptly driven out.Persia took jerusalem briefly from East Rome) when the Arabs liberated the Jerusalem residents from the eprsecution of East Rome.Again, maybe 638 AD is the timeline based on the logic of people like you and IamJoseph (however, Buzzsaw I respect your honesty in the time that I have read your posts, so I dont wish to compare you to Joseph). Nice (maybe I will read it), but did you also know that the Crusaders called the Dome of The Rock the "Temple of Solomon" and nothing else?It was rebuilt in the 7th century.We keep coming back to the 7th century as the restoration, dont we?Im NOT saying that I hold any "prophetic" views which extend past the time current to the Biblical writings, but it is something to ponder, is it not? By your prophetic standards and measures. it surely must be!Have you read Hank Hanegraaff's book "The Apocalypse Code"?Here is what he said in the early pages. Hanegraaff's book is fantastic because he doesnt tell you what to believe.He actually teaches the discipline of "hermeneutic's" and then using proper hermeneutical principles, he lets the reader's apply that to the reading of the Biblical text.I have enver seen such a fantastic book on the teaching of Exegesis in my life!And it is based around a topic ("Biblical Prophecy") which has been starved of scholarly principles for nearly 200 years.This 2007 book is a God send!Here is what one of the leading (fundamentalist Christian) Classical scholar Paul Maier said about the book. Edited by Nimrod, : No reason given.

There were 10,000 Jews in Jerusalem in 1850.I think there were about 15,000 before the Crusaders slaughtered them in 1099 AD.Are there actually more there today?And if so, then is it signioficant enough to prove your point?You havnt soundly refuted my point.(I will see if I can get some numbers on the current Jewish population of the "Old City" however)

[qs] Wikipedia
Old CityMain article: Jewish Quarter
The Jewish Quarter (Hebrew: ‘ ”, HaRova HaYehudi or the Rova) lies in the southeastern sector of the walled city, and stretches from the Zion Gate in the south, along the Armenian Quarter on the west, up to the Cardo in the north and extends to the Western Wall and the Temple Mount in the east.The quarter has had a rich history, with a nearly continual Jewish presence since the eight century B.C.E. In 1948 its population of about 2,000 Jews was besieged, and forced to leave en masse. The quarter had been completely sacked, with ancient synagogues destroyed. The quarter remained under Transjordanian control until its capture by Israeli paratroops in the Six-Day War of 1967. The quarter has since been rebuilt and settled, and has a population of 2,348 (as of 2004) Here we see that the historic "Jerusalem" doesnt exactly have a huge amount of Jews as of 2004 or 2006.Far less than 150 years ago, though slightly more than 1948.Not more than Jews present from 638 AD till 1099. (generally less)Only slightly more than those from post-crusader times till the 1800s (roughly 1500 Jews on average)ONE THE OTHER HAND, the "City of David" is believed to be just outside of the "Old City" beyond an "Old City" wall called the "Dung Wall" but Im not sure of the population of residents.Im not sure of the exact boundaries and over-lap (in relation to the Old City of today) during the time of Christ.East Jerusalem seems to be the center of much of the historic country.And it seems that the Old City is the main part.East Jerusalem has about 180,000 Jew and about 500,000 non-Jews.But the Israeli government is trying to give east jerusalem to the Arabs for a Palestinian state, which could see an agreement where jews have to leave or part of it will be severed.I just dont see a whole lot of Jewish control that fits any prophetic scenario.(you did seem to specify the soverign power of Jews as strong during Roman rule in your initial post)And Jews are actually a severe minority almost like never before (as emasured by the periods Muslims ruled) in percentage terms. Edited by Nimrod, : No reason given.Edited by Nimrod, : No reason given.Edited by Nimrod, : No reason given.

A new forum can be created just for him. Then we can have him banned in all otherforums where actual debate should be taking place.IN HIS FORUM he can start his own threads and say whatever the heck he wants.He can respond to any post he wants but he needs to be isolated like Ebola.Maybe then every last topic wont be disrupted by his post-bombing.It can be called the "Zero Evidence Forum" or "Bald Assertions of *NO* Value Forum".Anyway, I feel this is another once-promising topic turned into a freak show.(there was 24 hours of hope but that silver lining of sanity was short lived)Keep up the good work Mod's!If one person can ruin every last discussion for thousands of others , then why are there Mod's exactly?Edited by Nimrod, : No reason given.