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Message 17 of 32 (462121)
03-31-2008 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Aldebaranstar
03-30-2008 8:02 PM


Hi there Aldebaranstar, and welcome to EvC. It is certainly interesting to have an Islamic creationist input here.
Looking at the page you cite in your latest message, one thing stands out to me.
Harun Yahya writes:
Let us recall the two assertions of materialism about the universe:
The universe exists in infinite time and, because it has no beginning or end, it was not created.
Yahya then goes on to refute this position by citing the Big Bang theory. Unfortunately, he is refuting a straw-man, that is to say a position that is not actually held by those he is seeking to criticise. Most people today, who would describe themselves as materialists, would agree with the Big Bang theory as being a compelling explanation for the origin of the universe. Very few would insist upon a universe of infinite antiquity, with no beginning or end.
Essentially Yahya is arguing against a nineteenth century view of materialism as though it were a modern one. In doing so, he is wasting his time. The argument has moved on, but it seems that he would rather argue against those long dead.
It is quite possible and indeed very widespread, to believe that the universe had a specific beginning, yet not believe that this is any kind of evidence for an intelligent creator. I find it hard to believe that Yahya is unaware that materialism has moved on. This echoes Dr. Adequate's contention that Yahya must be lying on purpose, or simply giving lectures on subjects of which he is deeply ignorant. Either way, I am sadly forced to conclude that he is being dishonest.

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