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creative-evolutionist
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Message 19 of 32 (462144)
03-31-2008 4:53 PM


Warm welcome
Hello EvC-Users.
First of, I would like to thank you for the warm welcome you have given Aldebaranstar, who happens to be my wife. I really appreciate that, especially the detailed deconstructions of Haruns "scientific" proofs.
Concerning Harun, the two of us are a bit at odds. Although he also writes about a few other things related to Islam, his main topics all revolve around the conflict between Evolution(ism) and Creationism.
Currently I am trying to deconstruct each of his so called "proofs" that ToE is wrong one by one, at least the ones where he tries to be scientific. I'm not even going into topics related to Satanism or Materialism. Yet.
But, just to make that clear, I am a Muslim (converted, *waves at CIA*) and I believe there IS a Creator. The fact that ToE works without divine assistance (but still needing the random mutation, now and then) does not exclude the existence of God.
Actually, no scientific theory has an impact on God, since he is not fathomable with science. You may find God, ;-) but you cannot measure, weigh, proof or disproof him/her/it.
I personally believe that ToE is the means, by which God changes his creatures, just like Kepler (is it Kepler? I'm not sure) described how the planets move. Interestingly, no Creationist objects to physical theories, although they also make a Creator obsolete (instead of the hand of God, one now has gravity pushing the planets around)
@Catholic Scientist: Yeah, well he actually has a popup (had to use IE to find it), but since ALL of his books are available as PDF-Downloads also, I do not think he is trying to scam people.
I rather have the impression that he has been somehow traumatized by something, that he relates to the ToE, and now he is striking back.
And yes, he does wear flashy clothes. But he is not an interior designer, he broke off his studies.

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Message 27 of 32 (462281)
04-02-2008 5:59 AM


Okay now.
@Buzsaw: I have read a few other posts from you. I do not like your approach, which is entirely based on semantics and linguistic contortions. End of Comment.
@bluegenes
You're a main of faith, obviously, and it must take a great deal of faith to believe that such words can be attributed to an all seeing all knowing God. Easy to believe that they're the words of a seventh century human being who did not know that there were trillions of stars that he could not see, though.
Woah, hold your horses. Where in the verse does it say, that God ONLY created those stars we can see? It simply say, that the stars are for humans to navigate by, which they have been used for quite some time until GPS. If ever we humans will leave our solar system, they probably will be used for navigation again. You might think the Qur'an (Bible, Torah) are fairy tale books, but THIS specific verse is no proof. But this is OT, anyway.
As to the other things, I am a "liberal Muslim", if you have to put a label on me, if anyone chooses to leave Islam, thats between them and God.
Teaching children about religion is part of education and should not be called "indoctrination".
Freedom of speech is important, but must be checked sometimes. I think that the people that want to "protect" Islam from criticism are afraid that Islam would be weakened. This, IMHO, shows a weak faith and small understanding of Islam. So, yes, Islam should be criticized, just to show that all criticism will fail.
Well, on Mr. Yahya we agree,
I'd like to see Christian creationists debating Muslim creationists on EvC.
Can't help you there. I am not creo nor a evo, I'm a thevo ;-)

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