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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3470 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
Peg writes: why dont you boys n girls "boys and girls" ? So,you're the adult who knows the truth about God, but evolutionists here are just children who still believe in fairy tales? Hmmm? Why do you have to be so rude?Especially when showing total ignorance of the subject and inability to learn anything about it? Peg writes: get your heads together and come up with an evolutionary tree...that would be awesome and i would love to see it. But you didn't look for it.You never looked for it. It never even occurred to you to look for it. Why is that ? A few seconds looking will get you these sites :Phylogenetic tree - Wikipedia http://www.tolweb.org/tree/ K. Edited by Kapyong, : No reason given. Edited by Kapyong, : No reason given.
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3470 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
Peg writes: this does not inspire confidence unfortunately, but thank you for trying. Ah, creationist dodge #53 :"if we don't know it all exactly 100% perfectly, then it's worthless." What nonsense. Tell me Peg -What year was Jesus born? Oh, you can't tell exactly? Then Jesus can't be real unless we know ALL the details. Tell me Peg -What day did you turn into an adult? Oh, you can't tell exactly? Then you must still be a child. Faithful believers with 100% faithful belief in their faithful beliefs always fall for this basic error. K. Edited by Kapyong, : Minor fix.
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3470 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
Peg writes: you dont think its possible that evolutionary scientists, who are trying to prove their theory, could be interpreting the data to fit in with their preconceived ideas that life is a product of evolution and not creation? That's all you've got?A vague insinuation that ALL evolutionary scientists MAY be in fraudulent? The short answer is: No. The scientific process is specifically designed to stop this, by always questioning and improving. The opposite of creationism - which is stuck with a volume of ancient myths and never moves on. Here are the facts Peg - Over the last century or more, thousands of scientists in dozens of countries have performed a huge number of experiments, observations and testswhich could either: * confirm, or * disprove evolution. Probably 100s of thousands of such tests, experiments and observations in total (could even be millions.) Of that vast number of tests etc. there have been ZERO that disproved evolution. Got that Peg?After a vast huge number of tests - maybe even millions - there has NOT BEEN ONE SINGLE test that disproved evolution. But 100s of thousands, (maybe millions), of tests have CONFIRMED evolution. ZERO have disproved it. If there had been ONE single test, experiment or observation that disproved evolution then we would see creationists cite it in every post. Scientists have 100s of thousands, maybe millions, of FACTS to support evolution. Facts based on direct observation of nature. Creationists have a few books of ancient legends, but NO facts. K. Edited by Kapyong, : No reason given. Edited by Kapyong, : Minor additions
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3470 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Okie dokie :-)
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3470 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Greetings Peg,
Thanks for your reply.
Peg writes: so they have 'proved' evolution by experiments? Why did you use the word 'proved' in quotes Peg?I did not use the word prove, and the confusion over this word has been explained to you. My post was quite clear : * millions of tests CONFIRM evolution* ZERO tests disprove evolution All it would take is ONE SINGLE test to disprove evolution (well, in practice it would take many repeated tests carefully observed and checked over and over.) (Evolution has been confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt - in loose popular terms, some would say it HAS been 'proved', but a scientist would be wary of using that word.)
Peg writes: what sort of experiments are you talking about??? Many many tests of many different types - Tiktaalik is a famous example. Millions of them probably. We have observed :* mutations * new base-pairs * new genes * new proteins * new features * new species descending from others All of that has been OBSERVED. Peg writes: have they produced life from non living matter? Peg - you really should try to grasp this concept.Evolution and abiogenesis are different things entirely. * Abiogenesis = ONCE a very long time ago, life STARTED * Evolution = CONTINUOUSLY to this day, life CHANGES Is there some reason that this is hard for you to grasp this idea? Please let us know if we can explain it more clearly.
Peg writes: because if they do that, then i'll believe that life arose by chance Evolution does not say 'life arose by chance.'Evolution says EXISTING life CHANGES according to well known principles. Furthermore,nor does abiogenesis say that life arose by chance. The laws of chemistry make atoms and molecules act in certain ways - NOT chance at all. Kapyong Edited by Kapyong, : No reason given.
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3470 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
Peg writes: if evolution is to be proved, in my eyes, they need to show how it originally developed The various processes of Evolution have been observed.It is confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt. I thought you said you accepted evolution? Peg writes: to show how it originally developed, they need to create it... they need to create molecules and chemicals that produced life and then watch how it evolves Your word "it" is very slippery there.You seem to have slipped from evolution to abiogenesis again. Abiogenesis happened once a long time ago, we do not understand it that well. (Although some expermients have confirmed some of the processes.) Evolution happens to this day, we can observe it in action.Evolution is confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt. Kapyong
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3470 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday Peg,
Peg writes: could you provide some examples of this with perhaps links to the actual laboratories and the research you are referring to ? There are many examples of observed speciation, with details, here :http://toarchive.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html Some more examples here :http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html K.
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3470 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
Peg writes: but its one thing to say that evolution is how species evolved from other species then not back up where the species began in the first placethats why they are very much linked together Yes, they are linked - one follows the other.But so what? They are DIFFERENT things, one following the other. Many DIFFERENT thinks are linked - Human conception occurs before human growth and life.Do you insist a doctor treating a child MUST know all about the actual details of conception? A building must bebuilt before it can be lived in.Does that mean you must know how to build a house before you live in it? A car is designed and built before it can be driven.Does that mean you insist your taxi driver knows how to design a car before you accept a ride? Do you see the problem here Peg? Kapyong
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