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Author Topic:   Pat Robertson shows again why the Christian Right is such a laughingstock
FliesOnly
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Message 8 of 232 (236344)
08-24-2005 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Silent H
08-24-2005 7:24 AM


I agree..for example where's...
Holmes writes:
What I can't figure out is how he keeps getting away with such commentary without those around him raising more criticism.
It is pretty amazing isn't it. Can you imagine the outrage if...say...A Muslim leader said this, or Al Franken, or just about any liberal for that matter?
And on a related note...where's the likes of randman, or Faith, or Tal, or CanadianSteve, or FairWitness to voice their outrage at such a dangerous and stupid comment made by an obviously disturbed Conservative (and one with quite a bit of power and influence within the Republican Party I might add)?

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Message 17 of 232 (236384)
08-24-2005 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Tal
08-24-2005 9:45 AM


Re: I agree..for example where's...
Tal writes:
At least wait until I respond before you words in my mouth.
Based on what I asked, you do realize what a ridiculous thing this is to say...don't you? But just in case, let me ask you this: How can I post a response about your lack of response if I wait till after you respond?
Tal writes:
Thank you for assuming. You know what they say about it.
I didn't assume anything, Tal, I simply asked a question. So, thanks for responding.

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Message 18 of 232 (236387)
08-24-2005 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Tal
08-24-2005 10:01 AM


Re: I agree..for example where's...
Tal writes:
If someone or something is wrong, I'll be the first to say it.
Karl Rove? Sorry, off topic...but I couldn't resist.

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Message 47 of 232 (236461)
08-24-2005 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Monk
08-24-2005 1:04 PM


Re: Retraction?
Hi Monk:
Just so you know, Robertson can right out and said that we (the United States) should take him out. There's absolutely no way it was a misquote or a misunderstanding. I watched and listened to it last night on just about every news station.
On a somewhat related note I did notice that this story was also the lead on just about every news program I watched...with the exception of any thing on Fox. Just found that kind of funnny.

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Message 53 of 232 (236477)
08-24-2005 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Monk
08-24-2005 2:12 PM


Re: Retraction?
Monk writes:
I don't think his comments were ambiguous either. He's going to pay a price for those comments and his attempted retractions are going to dig a deeper hole.
You know, Monk, I truly hope you're right. However, personally, I have my doubts that anything will come of this. Not to turn this onto some sort of "right" vs "left" thing, but going on past experiences, I have a feeling that this too will simply blow over. He has, after all, made similar comments in the past, but far right-wingers still love the guy. I just don't get it.

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FliesOnly
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Message 56 of 232 (236486)
08-24-2005 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Tal
08-24-2005 2:24 PM


Re: Retraction?
Tal writes:
And it is a far cry from what other Radical Clerics fail to do, retract there statements.
I'm a bit confused here Tal. Are you saying that Roberton has retracted his statement, which therefore separates him from Radical Clerics? Cuz it really doesn't count as a retarction if your retraction is nothing but a lie about what it was you said to start with.

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FliesOnly
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Message 101 of 232 (236709)
08-25-2005 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Tal
08-24-2005 2:58 PM


Re: Retraction?
Tal writes:
Before I answer, tell me where any Mulsim Radical Cleric has ever retracted, corrected, or otherwise attempted to change what they said about killing people.
Who fucking cares? This seems like more typical right-wing "let's quickly change the subject and/or blame someone else" bullshit. Whether or not some radical Muslim Cleric retracts or apologizes or corrects or otherwise attempts to change what they have said has no bearing whatsoever on what Pat Robertson said. Is there some sort of mysteries connection between nut-job religious people such that they all somehow are tied together at the tongue?
All I said was that Pat Roberston retracting what he said by lying about what he said is not really a retraction (and remember, I wrote that before his latest apology). And instead of addressing that issue you bring up a completely unrelated topic to somehow make Pat Robertson look better ("golly gee, he apologized") or some other such pathetic bullshit. You just can't say: "you know what FliesOnly, you're right". No, you've got to fire up the ole the right-wing bullshit spin machine.
God, I despise this kind of shit. I leave this site for the day, come back the next morning and find that people on the right are bringing up Howard Dean, or that the Right is better than the Left, or that it's all ok cuz man is a sinner. WTF...Robertson has lost it...admit it...get over it, and stop shifting the conversation about how the Right is right.
Edited to correct a spelling and typing error
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FliesOnly
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Message 104 of 232 (236713)
08-25-2005 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Tal
08-25-2005 8:05 AM


Re: Retraction?
Tal writes:
Your entire little tirade was answered in message 12.
Try to keep up.
My "tirade" was in respomse to your post 54
Learn to count.

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FliesOnly
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Message 133 of 232 (236754)
08-25-2005 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Tal
08-25-2005 8:26 AM


Re: Retraction?
Tal writes:
I see you are having trouble reading.
You really seem to have a problem reading for comprehension. I mean, it appears that you can read a string of words, but yet you seem incapable of understanding their collective meaning. Seriously, your entire response completely ignores what I said in my post.
Sure, you can write a smart-ass response and make yourself look all "smart" and everything, but they're meaningless Tal. You ignore the overall meaning of the post and instead pick out individual words or small, simple sentences and then take them completely out of context just so you can impress us all with you wit.
I simply asked (and for the third time now) if a retraction is indeed a retraction if the retraction lies about what it is you're attempting to retract. You don't need to tell me that you think Pat Robertson is a MORON, you've done that now five or six times. You don't need to tell me that you think he should not be allowed use his TV show to promote illegal activities, you've done that a few time as well.
And most of all, you don't need to go off on some tangent about Radical Clerics, or Howard Dean, or Karl Rove, or how the Left "does it too", or how I can't read. All you need to do is tell me why you think Pat Robertson's retraction was indeed a retraction (like you should have done waaaaaaaay back when I asked this the first time).
So let’s look at your latest post for some examples of what I’m talking about.
Here's what I wrote:
FliesOnly writes:
Who fucking cares? This seems like more typical right-wing "let's quickly change the subject and/or blame someone else" bullshit.
And here's your response:
Tal writes:
Check it out. Read carefully.
Tal writes:
Pat Robertson = MORON!
He shouldn't use his national TV program (that represents christianity) to support illegal activity period
Ok Tal, do you notice how your response is in no way related to what I wrote? Do you see anywhere in my response where I asked you what you thought of Robertson? Do you notice, however, that you do exactly what the sentence accuses you of...kinda funny, don't ya think?
Let's go on shall we.
I wrote:
FliesOnly writes:
WTF...Robertson has lost it...admit it...get over it, and stop shifting the conversation about how the Right is right.
and again, here's you very clever and insightful response
Tal writes:
In case you missed it the first 2 times...
Tal writes:
Pat Robertson = MORON!
He shouldn't use his national TV program (that represents christianity) to support illegal activity period
Now again, notice how the point of my statement was to NOT shift the conversation off topic, but yet that's exactly what you do. You go off on how you answered the question, when (if you were capable of paragraph comprehension) you should have known that that's NOT what I was addressing. Comprehension Talcomprehension, you should give it a try sometime cuz it’s a wonderful thing.
GadsI feel like Holmes herea very long response when I simply could have said: Now that we know you can read words, Tal, maybe you should look up the word comprehension.
Try to keep up Tal.

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Message 181 of 232 (236862)
08-25-2005 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by AdminPhat
08-25-2005 12:18 PM


Re: Where is Pat Robertson?
Ya know, Adminphat, I hate to toot my own horn...but I said some time ago that the Right will shift the issue away from Pat Robertson and turn this into yet another chance to bash the Left. Thank You, Right-Wingers, for being so utterly predictable.
By the way Tal, I've noticed that you have yet to answer my question about Robertson's "retraction". I see you've been busy doing other wonderful things, but..

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FliesOnly
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Message 204 of 232 (236906)
08-25-2005 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 3:25 PM


Re: Obviously not Christian, but....
FairWitness writes:
If the patient has life threatening illness, then they must be given medical treatment appropriate for the diagnosis, regardless of their ability to pay.
But this is not Health care. Health Care would this patient having access to medical attention PRIOR to the problem being diagnosed. You know...things like yearly mammograms and Pap smears for women, and if you're a guy you get the ole turn your head and cough or bend over and drop your pants, while everyone should get access to routine yearly physical exams, dental coverage, eye exams...etc. To argue that these things are currently available to everyone is ridiculous.
FairWitness writes:
Now as to transplant surgery, there are fully insured patients whose insurance companies consider that to be experimental & deny coverage, so insured patients are in the same situation as uninsured patients.
Not really. You see, those with insurance may encounter these problems while those without insurance will go undiagnosed until it is too late. "Why?", you ask. Cuz they don't have any friggen health care!
FairWitness writes:
It has nothing to do with economic status.
Either you are completely naive or we're talking about two different things here, because health care has EVERYTHING to do with economic status.

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FliesOnly
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Message 207 of 232 (236909)
08-25-2005 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 3:38 PM


Re: Obviously not Christian, but....
FairWitness writes:
They got life figured out, like the rest of us used to, before liberals acquired so much power.
Are you kidding me? What fucking planet do you live on?
Edited to fix typo.
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FliesOnly
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Message 209 of 232 (236911)
08-25-2005 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Tal
08-25-2005 3:52 PM


Re: Go without health care?
Tal writes:
Move to Canada, they have a wonderful healthcare system.
Until you get sick.
I didn't know you were Canadian

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FliesOnly
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Message 215 of 232 (236922)
08-25-2005 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Nuggin
08-25-2005 3:57 PM


Re: Go without health care?
Nuggin writes:
Wow, talk about completely missing the point!
The point of Health Care is to PREVENT people from getting sick. Been skipping the last twenty or so posts I see.
Did you intend to reply to me with this post? I'm on your side.

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Message 220 of 232 (236935)
08-25-2005 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 4:02 PM


Re: Obviously not Christian, but....
FairWitness writes:
However, that doesn't mean that everyone should have a private room, with a gourmet chef at his disposal when he's hospitalized like Donald Trump possibly might.
And I said this where exactly? But this isn't about Donald Trump...it's about health care and how everyone should have access to it.
FairWitness writes:
We also have no right to deny Mr. Trump the prerogatives he's EARNED by the incredible success he's achieved. To the victor go the spoils.
And I said this where exactly? Are you suggesting that people like Mr. Trump can therefore do whatever they want? Cuz like it or not...money talks and the wealthy have access to polititians in ways that your average joe does not.
FairWitness writes:
We don't live in a communist country, where everybody has the same amount of nothing.
How cleaver of you to notice...but what's your point?

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