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Pat Robertson shows again why the Christian Right is such a laughingstock

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08-24-2005 11:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 21 by Silent H
08-24-2005 10:47 AM

Re: Let's see why the liberal left is a laughing stock
Yeah - it seems the difference is that one group is telling a joke, the other is a joke.
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08-25-2005 3:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 173 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 1:40 PM

Civilian settlements for military security
The settlements were always about the safety & security of Israel.
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Human shields?
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08-25-2005 4:00 PM 		Reply to: Message 202 by FairWitness
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Re: Civilian settlements for military security
Wow, I'd certainly like to see an independent body discuss this since it passed me by.
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I was looking at S/11940 (UN Draft Resolution) I see:
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The right of Palestinian refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours to do so and the right of those choosing not to return to receive compensation for their property;
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I don't see the occupation portrayed here as being friendly and neighbourly, but rather it seems that Palestinians were evicted from their property with no compensation...house warming, assmilation? If friendly relations was the intention, it seems they didn't execute it very well.
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Anyway, this is all horribly off topic...I'm just amazed by the simple black & white worldview you seem to have. Take care!
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08-25-2005 4:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 214 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 4:06 PM

Re: Civilian settlements for military security
Well, I've never understood why liberals have to make things so darn complicated. The intention was to become a nation & live in peace with its neighbors. To stop its neighbors from attacking them, to encourage its neighbors to have an economic stake in the community, join in, become a part of something productive, and all thrive together. Build something of value together & live in peace. What's so hard to understand about that?
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It's very easy to understand. I didn't have difficulty the first time. I've just don't see this intention having bourne out in reality. The reality seems to be that palestinians were forced from homes with no compensation. That is not community, productive, thriving together, or an attempt to live in peace. Now, I'm sure some Palestinians received compensation, and I'm sure some Jewish settlers wanted peace and love. However, the issue isn't wonderfully black and white/clear cut as you seem to fantasize.
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edit: I don't really want to continue a discussion which is clearly going to be two people repeating the same things. If you have something new to say, by all means do (I'd enjoy reading an independentish link if you have one)...but in the interests of thread preservation I may well not respond much further.
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08-25-2005 4:49 PM 		Reply to: Message 227 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 4:37 PM

Re: Civilian settlements for military security
everyone seems to want to paint the Israelis as the bad guys
Not me
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They bought & paid for the land in question, sir
So they say, and no doubt they paid for some of the land, but all of it? Well, since you haven't supplied support (whereas I have) I'll just have to assume you have none.
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The Palestinians spent the money then cried foul
The Israelis aren't the bad guys, but the Palestinians are! Hmm. Do you have any support for this, I'd be really interested in seeing it.
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I'm telling the real story, the way it is, no window dressing, no politcal agenda, just what happened.
Excellent, if that is the case, I'm sure you can show me how you reached your unbiased view.
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Until you can actually show me, we continue to be in the position of talking in circles (as I predicted would happen without some independent support of your position)...you're not intentionally derailing this thread are you?
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