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Message 63 of 301 (441349)
12-17-2007 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Kitsune
12-17-2007 6:40 AM


LindaLou
A Christian sings them and presumably believes them, they have a special relevance. A non-Christian who sings them is, I guess, joining in and just having some fun.
Being as I am an atheist of some depth I would like to point out that the words of a song convey emotions and these are accessible to all of us.
In my home growing up so many years ago we had Charlie Brown's christmas as a regular feature. They sing the song " Hark the herald angels sing" at the end of the show and to this day I am lifted by the harmonies and the soothing peal of children singing.
That said I do not think the reason is because of any great revelation of the spirit of God or any such religious connotation but ,rather, a simple enjoyment of people working together to produce something of such rare quality of joy.
Perhaps it is because the message of the song is in my eyes to bring our attention to the beauty of the universe about us.To be reminded that there is more to life than just making a living and the endless barrage of daily life in society.
I would like to live in a world where the petty differences are set aside and the common ground is attained and where there was more time given to mere appreciation of how lucky we are to be alive. Trust me, an atheist has far more need of purpose than you might assume. It is just that purpose in my eyes is self generated and not a given.
Merry Xmas all. And an honest hope for peace on earth.

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Message 88 of 301 (441632)
12-18-2007 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Kitsune
12-18-2007 11:38 AM


Re: Enlightenment
LindaLou
Dogmatic skepticism is a position too, and those who choose it as their world view are in as much danger of deluding themselves
Indeed it is and it would do good to recall the words of Richard Feynman
“If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.”

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Message 143 of 301 (441984)
12-19-2007 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by LucyTheApe
12-19-2007 12:24 AM


Re: Enlightenment
LucyTheApe
First of all you have to admit to yourself that the ability of the human mind to perceive is limited. (To five senses and four dimensions).
The human senses are limited yes. The human mind is not so limited and has achieved a great deal in the ways of understanding the world around us. That said , you are also included among those with that limitation and as such are not able to make claims beyond what you can reasonably account for yourself.
Then (this is the hard bit for you) you have to admit that it’s methods of discernment are limited.
We have no idea how much discernment we are capable of and remember that being unable to solve some mysteries does not mean that the pursuit of those mysteries leaves us without insight. It is a consequence of the structure of the universe that it is impossible to resolve the nature of spacetime to less than the planck level of reality.
Since there is a built in uncertainty in nature events occur at the level of quanta that defy common sense.The emptiness of space is the seat of the most violent physics. Devoid of matter we have learned that there is a substrate that seethes behind the curtain so to speak. Enough power that a cubic meter of "empty" space could boil the oceans of the earth.
That the world is reduced to only probabilities means that the world seems to be discontinuous and lacks an ability to be endlessly divided. Nature places barriers in the way of resolving ability because beyond a certain point there is nothing to be resolved. From this probability structure we are able to arrive at devices such as the scanning tunneling microscope.
We are so inept at discernment.
Then you’ve got a start.
A start into what?

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Message 188 of 301 (442367)
12-20-2007 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Cold Foreign Object
12-20-2007 7:26 PM


Re: Sin, you unabashed pagan!!!
Cold Foreign
Object
Since, like I said, he co-discovered natural selection, the dismissal of Wallace's documentation of a spirit world by fellow evolutionists goes to show that they are not interested in evidence that harms the Atheist worldview.
Man, Ray, you really dig in the bottom of the barrel for ammo of utterly useless effect.
ARW also believed that vaccinations were bogus and he also thought highly of Phrenology.
That a person is famous for one thing does not mean he cannot be wrong in another field at all. Science has peer review for this specific reason. Einstein had a good take on it in the following quote.
"No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."
You can rest assured that such things have been investigated and found lacking. But then you could always...{gasp} be specific and bring up a particular case of Wallace's to show how the scientific method was used to arrive at his conclusions.
Or you could continue your attack upon atheism as though that had any bearing on the outcome of experiments. If you do so it will merely reinforce in the viewing audience that you are shooting blanks my friend.

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere."
Albert Einstein

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