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Ben!
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Message 50 of 90 (247727)
09-30-2005 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Parasomnium
09-30-2005 3:02 PM


Re: Circular causality
That's all very well, but there has to be a beginning.
Only if you view time as necessarily moving forward. I don't think it's inconsistent with any known physical laws that time does not "move" in such a way. Feynman certainly seems "cool" with the notion of time without direction.
If time REALLY is another dimension, then think of it as existing all at once, just like the 3 spatial dimensions do. "Travel" in time is the same as travel in space.
At least.... I THINK so. Certainly Feynman allows for the view of undirected time.

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Ben!
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Message 54 of 90 (247747)
09-30-2005 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Parasomnium
09-30-2005 3:57 PM


Re: Circular causality
Er, I guess I didn't do that well. I think the view is NOT that things are "revisable" by travelling back and forth in time, but rather that all things exist "statically" at all times. So like the Bradbury story "Sound of Thunder" where people travel to the past and change it is impossible. "Back to the Future" also out (a shame though, classic flick)
It's more like in EVERY instantiation of 2005, there's this note from the aliens. If it's here in ANY instantiation of 2005, then it was there for all versions.
That's why "circular causality" is legal (I think). Because all "times" "exist" "at the same time" analagous to the spatial dimensions. Clearly we don't have the proper language to explicate this, and I'm not smart enough to find inventive ways to use better terms.

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Ben!
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Message 60 of 90 (247776)
09-30-2005 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Parasomnium
09-30-2005 5:36 PM


Re: Where's the message?
Message? There was never message there as far as I can remember. Just a bunch of edits and some message about going to th cache to retrieve something.
You doin' alright Para?

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Ben!
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Message 61 of 90 (247779)
09-30-2005 5:43 PM
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09-30-2005 5:05 PM


Re: Circular causality
I writes:
It's more like in EVERY instantiation of 2005, there's this note from the aliens. If it's here in ANY instantiation of 2005, then it was there for all versions.
OK, you're right, really awful wording. "Instantation" was more like "conscious experience of." Think of all time being static, consciousness is just a 3D volume inside the 4D spacetime. Like 2D is a plane through 3D.
Not sure if that clarifies things. My bad with the wording... anyway I'm sure you've heard such models before, I consider it my failure to communicate it well to you.

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