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Religions and other anti-gay groups picture gays as wanton sinners lusting to seduce small boys. The truth is heterosexual males are, in general, far more abusive towards young victims than homosexual males are. To learn more about homophobia, read Blumenfeld (1992). About 2300 years ago, Plato wrote a defense of homosexuality, titled Symposium. On certain topics we are slow learners
-----------------------------------------------------------Take the citys of sodom and gahmorah, God distroyed thoes cities
because of that very sin.And for you to say heterosexual males are in general far more abusive to wards young victims than homosexual males are, is quite a slap in anyones face just reading your wording of thought that you so unshamefully post for others to read.
I do not believe ,(after speaking to several homosexual males recently because of ;your post), that being homosexual is either a learned or born act of sexual preversion knowingly acted out because of self desireable pleasure one feels doing the act, but in that the act is self pleasure in knowingly doing what one is not born or created to do. Therefore, homosexuals are acting out and choosing to perform preverse sexual doings outside the God given purpose of re creating life itself thru the normal choosing God has commanded man and woman to do ..go and multiply thy seed and be fruitful.. not :
go and lay with your same sex partner and have anal sex and victimise little boys (or girls) to fulfill your preverse sexual desires..
I have even heard the excuse for being gay is: "I was born with the gene that causes my maleness to become female as i grew up by knowing my way was intended to be gay".. SHOULD have been said like this: I was born, then i became sexually active,and I followed my perverse sexual desires, and spit in the face of God by doing the complete opposite of what man was commanded to do in the garden of eden. I personally must admit that to this day i cannot understand or find a true reason for a man to become a sexual partner with another man/ or a woman doing so in this same matter. Some reasons i have heard were, "I'm gay because: my father was crippled and he made me perform oral sex on him, because my mother left after his accident.. and i loved my father and did this for him , and now i am gay.. or, i have a gene that programed me to be gay, and that gene kicked in after my 12th birthday.END.
The things that I can conclude that a homosexual gains after sex are, less than expected/ aids/hurt/acute lust mode/anal discomfort/loose stools/loss days from work/ multiple sex partners/and death from medical incurables. I for one do not stand for such an act of homosexualality./ Tho i have never beaten up a homosexual, I never will slap one in the face.. because Jesus forgives all sin, no matter what the sin is..and for your information, this topic hits home rather close with me , as i have a sister who is twice married to another woman, tho i am not proud, i love her the most out of 5 sisters in my family..God does tell us: The wages of sin is death..lets not slap God in the face again..just get out of the sin you are in.. that is what i tell all homosexuals that i converse with..Remember: YOU CHOOSE WHAT YOU DO, SO YOU CHOOSE YOUR OWN PUNISHMENT.. because all sin has a wage to it...
Plese think what you will...post what you will in responce to my posted reply..i welcome all who post harshly or lovingly...I mean no harm to anyone that is homosexual.. just remember this..it is in my own family..and has been for years...tho i did not choose to become homosexual...i see it everyday. Sin can be forgiven, if you ask for forgiveness. It is too easy to get out of homosexuality..just ask Jesus to forgive you, and He will,,and He does it with the largest amout of love.. and I wont hate you for being homosexual..Because there is a forgiving God at hand..we just need to go to him and simply ask for forgivness..I let God take control, not man. For in the end, it is Jesus who will judge.
Take no offence to my post, it is just how i feel.

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Hi again John! Long time no speak. lol
Man you make me laugh...and from your response, I assume you are gay?
I dont want to burst your bubble John Darling lol...but please stop trying to be the butter on my bread...i find you tasteless in your
snide remarks you so often post in responce to my post....yes i did declair that i would accept all nice and not so nice post..so i accept your post also John... but...knowing you from the past, i find you rather hostile to my being.. tho you cause me to respond to you because, and only because you know how to get my goat..(please dont make a homosexual post about the goat ok John). . . it's a figure of speach... but i do remember how i had to enevitably explain myself to alphelion to you..but i'd rather just comment anymore...so have fun John...i have gotten a litte more tollerant in my old age. lol.
especially to you! (Darling).
AS FOR THE PROOF ON THE cause of distruction for Sodom/Ghamorah City...the bible just states that The citys sins reached the throne of God, and it names some of the sins that caused it to be burnt up. Some of the sins were named: ie: men lovers of men.. beastiality, whoremongerers..murder and on and on... i know that they were not nice people when Lot said to God. will you spare the city if there were even one righteous person in the City,, and God said there were not as many even as one..Im sure you can read your bible that shows the particulars to satisfy your mindset on the subject.. im not one who can quote scripture precisely.. tho i believe many of you out there can come to my aid, and help my feeble mind with the details so many of you readers neither read for yourselves...just to provoke additional pricking to others your inquisitive questions to downtrodden my lack of precision in a particular subject...nuff said.
P>S John Darling... Jesus still loves you, and wants you to give your heart to Him.. how long will you continue to walk on the path to destruction.
allen ..and yes John.. just like Jesus loves you...i do too..so..come to Jesus now..for your soul may be required of you as you sleep.
Read Romans 10: verses 9-10 , that is how you come to Jesus.
Please dont get offended to my post..its just what i feel.

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Originally posted by Karl:
Oh - and chapter and verse proving that it was homosexuality that got Sodom destroyed would be appreciated.

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proverbs 14:11 is one verse to read.
vers 12 following 11 is another.
verse 14 is another
verse 27 is another
these verses coincide to the fall of Sodom /Gomorrrah..thoes cities fell because they did not posess the rightous life ..rightous being: sinless life..to be sinless ..to not act on sin.. not to do the act of sinning against the very God that commanded them to : sin not.
As you read bout the cities, they were a focal point in the oil trade. Therefore, they became high and mighty in that they were blessed, and perversed the gifts given to them, that even the officers and high ranking leaders gave into pervers sexual sin..and lying and killing and whatever wicked thing they desired to do in their hearts led them to destruction..
Proverbs 15:26 is another..
Here is the chapter that discribes the fall of sodom and gomorrah...
(i just read it)..pay particular attention to the verse 4 and read on. It reads like this: chapter 19 of Genesis verse 4 on:
4. this is the NIV bible.
verse 4: Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of sodom both young and old surrounded the house. 5: They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
NOW you must read the beginning of chapter 19...so you can get the whole happening.. dont pervert just that verse,, the two men that came to Lots house were angels who came to warn and remove the only rightous ones from the doomed cities.
so i hope you are happy now that God's word proves itself once again.
thank you, and Thank God for his precious word.

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I mean no harm to anyone that is homosexual

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But...

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The wages of sin is death

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Wishing harm against a person is no different from 'meaning' harm to them.

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I'm heterosexual, but it makes me sick to think anyone could compare me to such ignorant, evil-minded, hateful idiots that share the same sexuality as me like Allen. You should be locked up.

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are you bisexual... that is what your post declares..get a grip..im
not flaming anyone.. i just was replying to someone else..should you read the WHOLE thread now?! I would hope so... then you can come back and dam me to death...then i would know you have reason to be so arrogant in your post to a half read thread.
SIN IS SIN no matter how you think it... no one can justify any sin at all. No one can declare one sin any less opposing to God, except the sin of not becoming saved. The whole bible is about getting you to come to Jesus..that is what He did for ALL mankind. Dont think i will falter in my faith just because of a post about homosexuals...all sin needs to be confronted.. and if homosexuals can declare GAY DAY and parade on a special GAY DAY of the year, then i can converse the topic freely , as i have NO problem facing any Gay person and talking about homosexualality.... i do not declare to be God.. i just spread the word of God , that He has given US a way out of our sins, that He will forgive all sins, and we dont have to suffer the death due to our sins... whatever a man or woman decides to become is thier decision...not mine..im just posting my thoughts about the subject at hand , and i will not back off to anyone, because the word of God is my strength.. im not here to cut your head off, or slap your face.. or to be condemmed by anyone... im just answering someones reply to my post that i replyed to another post about the post in topic. Nuff Said. DONT ever think i will back off from what the Good Lord has freed me of...but i also have the resposibility to tell others about the escape they can have from all damming sin. Sin is sin! And Jesus forgives all sin...its your choice to accept the forgiving of sin that Jesus died and arose for .Imagine if man had no way out of sin.. then we would be destined to our just reward for our sins.. and according to the Word of God, that is the place called Hell.. a place where God has prepared for satan and his follen angles...in fire and brimstone will they suffer for eternity..
nashing of teeth, no water,no light, just darkness.. for this very reason i have become saved thru the blood of Jesus. He has forgiven me all my sins..past/present/future sins..He has forgotten them, and seperated them as far as the east is to the west..and cast them down to the deepest bottom of the deepest ocean. Now that is sin forgiven. Tell me of a God that can do more.
Lying/cursing/hating/killing/homosexuality/bisexual/haters of God/
cheating/gosiping/and lots more are sammples of sin that God has written about in the bible to tell us not to do them.

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Hi again John! Long time no speak. lol
Man you make me laugh...and from your response, I assume you are gay?

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Not before I've had my coffee in the morning.

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i find you tasteless in your
snide remarks you so often post in responce to my post....yes i did declair that i would accept all nice and not so nice post..so i accept your post also John... but...knowing you from the past, i find you rather hostile to my being..

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Snippy... shall we review the name calling you directed my way last time you were here?

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but i do remember how i had to enevitably explain myself to alphelion to you..]

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You mean like this:

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Some people make me laugh but, you make me laugh hysterically until I start crying and I can no longer take your stupidity any more because you have shown yourself the true rear end of a donkey and I am sickened by your lack of real intelligence. You profusely spew from your fingers words of empty reasoning and I really dont care to continue this whatever it is of a conversation in this forum so please let me depart from your blind eyes and numbing conversation you spew out at me.

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..so..come to Jesus now..for your soul may be required of you as you sleep.

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You are just the man to lead me there.

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By the way, my girlfriend responded to the post you put on my site.

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Ta ta.... hugs and kisses....

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THANKS JOHN I went to your awful site (again), and read your girlfriends post...and i left a short post for you to read.. i hope you coincider what i propose to do. Thanks bro. {)

sheesh.. Jesus said that ..the wages of sin is death ...and death of the flesh and the second death.. is of the spirit.. those that have accepted Jesus as their God do not die the second death..
fear no man that can take your flesh, but fear He who can take your flesh, and condem your spirit for eternity..
again Jesus said that...we are not to fear mere men... but to fear God Himself, because it is He who only can condem the spirit.
Now do i have to find my self condemed also because of the word of God.. I think not.[This message has been edited by allen, 11-14-2002]

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In other words, there is no verse saying that homosexuality was the sin that got Sodom destroyed. It was sin in general.

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You quote an example of a desire to gang rape a bunch of angels. Can't really equate that with a committed homosexual relationship can you? If the verse had read that the men of Sodom raped women, would you assume that it was heterosexual sex that got Sodom destroyed?

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so your point is that you cant read between the lines.. you know men on men..equils a homosexual act..it was in their hearts to have sex with other men..in this word, it was the two angels that are men that they wanted to have sex with... common...if it is in your heart to do something, then you have already sinned as if you have committed the act.. in this case.. it is evident..and bluntly frightening.
Please dont tell me you cant see what was about to happen.. what if the crowd of men of sodom did get into the house, and what do you think they would have done... throw a welcome party.. i think not.
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are you bisexual... that is what your post declares..

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No I'm not, and no it doesn't.
SORRY I MUST HAVE READ YOU WRONG..

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... then you can come back and dam me to death...

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I don't damn people to death, I leave that to 'good' Christians.
THEN WHAT IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN IN YOUR MIND.

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i have NO problem facing any Gay person and talking about homosexualality....

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Then maybe you should hang around gay bars and spread the word. Or do you think you may 'turn gay'?
I DONT DRINK, AND BEING IN A GAY BAR IS NOT FOR ME THANKS I DONT DRINK.AND NO, I WILL NEVER BECOME GAY. ITS NOT SOMETHING I COULD FIND PLEASURE IN DOING.

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im not here to cut your head off, or slap your face.. or to be condemmed by anyone...

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No.... your lovely God does all the punishment round here.
GOD IS A JUST GOD, AND HE ONLY CAN JUDGE SIN.

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[QUOTE][B]DONT ever think i will back off from what the Good Lord has freed me of...but i also have the resposibility to tell others about the escape they can have from all damming sin.[/QUOTE]

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So how did you escape homosexuality? Tell me your story...
I NEVER WAS GAY. SO THE STORY OF THE SINS I WAS IN WERE JUST BEING BORN INTO SIN BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF ADAM AND EVE..THUS ALL ARE BORN IN SIN, AND DAMMED TO HELL UNTILL THEY CHOOSE JESUS AS GOD AND ASK FOR FORGIVNESS OF THEIR SINS AND GIVE THEIR LIVES TO HIM.(HAVE YOU EVER READ THE BIBLE? IT IS GODS WORD SHOWING ALL SINNERS HOW TO BE BRIDGED BACK TO WHAT WE HAD IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN BEFORE MAN SINNED.SALVATION IS BASED ON YOUR FAITH. NOT WHAT OTHERS THINK.

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[QUOTE][B]Hell.. a place where God has prepared for satan and his follen angles...in fire and brimstone will they suffer for eternity..[/QUOTE]

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If Satan's stuck in hell, how can he be blamed for so much bad stuff going on in the world? Does he sneak out the back?SATAN IS NOT IN HELL HE IS HERE ON EARTH IN THE SPIRIT RULING THE AIR,CAUSING DEATH AND DESTRUCTION ,DISEASE, LIES,KILLING , THEFT ETC. SATAN TAKES LIFE. jESUS CAME TO GIVE LIFE AND GIVE IT FREELY. YOU REALLY MUST GO TO CHURCH AND LEARN OF WHAT JESUS DID FOR YOU PERSONALLY. AND STUDY HIS WORD..DONT JUMP AROUND FORUMS ..CHURCH IS WHERE THE WORD OF GOD IS PREACHED.. YOU JUST HAVE TO GO THERE AND LEARN.

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[QUOTE][B]nashing of teeth, no water,no light, just darkness.. [/QUOTE]

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Well if I'm physically dead, I no longer have a body to suffer pain or thirst. And if there's no light, what happened to the fire? FIRST WHEN YOUR PHYSICAL BODY DIES..IT TURNS BACK TO DUST AND IS GONE FOREVER..BUT ALL WHO WERE BORN ALSO HAVE A SPIRIT, AND IT IS THAT SPIRIT THAT WILL LIVE FOR ETERNITY...BECAUSE WHAT GOD CREATES, HE CREATES FOR IT TO LAST FOR ETERNITY.YOUR SPIRIT WILL SUFFER THE PAINS OF HELL. AS FAR AS THE LIGHT IS, I AM SPEAKING OF THE LIGHT OF JESUS..
ONE WHO IS SENT TO HELL BECAUSE OF HIS SINS, WILL NOT SEE THE LIGHT OF JESUS.. THERE WILL BE A GREAT GULF BETWEEN HEAVEN AND EARTH, SO MUCH AS YOU WILL NOT SEE THE LIGHT SHINING FROM HEAVEN.. AND IN HEAVEN THE LIGHT OF HEAVEN IS GOD HIMSELF.

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[QUOTE][B]for this very reason i have become saved thru the blood of Jesus. He has forgiven me all my sins..past/present/future sins..[/QUOTE]

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What exactly are your future sins? OUR SPIRIT IS SAVED ONCE WE COME TO THE CROSS AND ACCEPT WHAT WAS DONE ON THE CROSS..ITS A GREAT GIFT OF LOVE TO ALL MEN THAT JESUS GAVE HIS LIFE IN OUR PLACE ON THE CROSS. BECAUSE SIN HAS TO BE PUNISHED BECAUSE GOD IS A JUST GOD, THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH. DEATH OF THE UNSAVED.. THOES WHO WILL NOT COME TO THE CROSS AND ASK FORGIVNESS OF THEIR SINS.. WHEN THEY DIE HERE ON EARTH, THEY ARE JUDED BY JESUS AS IF THEY HAVE BECOME HIS CHILD THRU WHAT HE DID ON THE CROSS..DID FOR EXAMPLE JOE SCHUTT ACCEPT JESUS WHEN HE WAS ALIVE ON EARTH.. WHEN JOE DIED, HE WENT TO HEAVEN TO BE JUDGED BY JESUS HIMSELF.. FIRST JESUS LOOKS TO SEE IF JOES NAME IS IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE.. THE GREAT LISTING OF ALL WHO HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS AS LORD AND SAVIOR...IF JOES NAME IS THERE, JESUS WILL SAY: COME, ENTER UNTO THE HOUSE OF THE LORD THY GOOD AND FAITHFULL SERVENT. IF JOE DID NOT ACCEPT JESUS HERE ON EARTH, THEN HIS NAME WILL NOT BE IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE..AND JESUS WILL SAY: DEPART FROM ME FOR I NEVER KNEW YOU.YOU DOER OF EVIL.. AND JESUS WILL CAST JOE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR SATAN AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS.. THERE TOO WILL JOE SUFFER FOR ETERNITY HIS WAGE OF ALL THE SIN HE HAD...REMEMBER..GODS WORD IS FINAL..THAT IS WHY WHEN YOU HEAR OF THE PLAN OF SALVATION, YOU MUST COME TO JESUS NOW.. BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO COME TO CHRIST..HEART FAILURE.. OR CAR ACCIDENT SOME SORT OF LIFE THREATING SITUATION CAN CLAIM YOUR PHYSICAL LIFE HERE ON EARTH AT A TIME WE CANNOT EXPECT. THAT IS OK IF YOU ARE A GAMBLER...TO PUT OFF THE TIME OF SALVATION...BUT I WOULDNT GAMBLE ON MY ETERNAL LIFE FOR A SECOND AGAINST MY OWN UNDERSTANDING...(AND)..AS FOR MY FUTURE SINS.. THE FLESH IS NOT SAVED... SO THE FLESH CONTINUES TO TRY TO FULFILL IT'S DESIRES.. A MANS HEART IS EXCEEDINGLY WICKED!...IT IS OUR SPIRIT THAT IS SAVED FROM ETERNAL DAMNATION... SO DAILY WE HAVE TO CHOOSE TO PUT OUR FLESHLY DESIRES UNDER SUBMISSION AND CONTINUALLY CHOOSE TO SERVE THE EVERLASTING GOD WE SERVE. (AS FOR ) MY FUTURE SINS...COMMON.. IM A GUY.. I LOOK AT WOMEN...ITS A SIN TO LUST...WHEN WE BECOME SAVED, WHEN JESUS LOOKS AT JOE..HE SEES A SINNER...WHEN HE LOOKS AT ALLEN, HE SEES HIS CHILD...NOT A SINNER...NOT A PERVERT OR KILLER...BUT HIS CHILD HE LOVES AND CARES FOR AND PROTECTS AND FORGIVES FUTURE SINS.
HIS WORD IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME..HE IS GOD FOR GOODNESS SAKE. CAN ONE PUT HIMSELF ABOVE GOD..THEN HE IS BREAKING A COMMANDMENT AND HAS FALLEN INTO SIN.. I DO NOT PURPOSLY LOOK TO SIN.. I DONT GO OUT TO CHOOSE TO MOLEST CHILDREN OR KILL SOMEONE...BUT I CAN SIN BY HATING SOMEONE ..YET I AM FORGIVEN.. BUT ALSO REMEMBER THIS.. WHEN JESUS APPEARED IN THE UPPER ROOM AFTER HE AROSE FROM THE GRAVE, HE WAS IN SPIRIT, AND APPEARD TO THE DECIPLES.. AND SAID : DO NOT TOUCH ME FOR I HAVE NOT YET ACCENDED UNTO MY FATHER..THEN THE DECIPLES WERE IN AWE..AND SAID WHAT SHALL WE DO NOW THAT YOU WILL BE GONE FROM US...JESUS SAID HAVE NO FEAR FOR I WILL SEND TO YOU A COMFORTER.(THE HOLY GHOST)..THEN ONE SAID.. AS THE STORY GOES..IF YOUR GOING. .HOW DO WE ATTONE FOR OUR SINS NOW? JESUS SAID YOU ARE FORGIVEN FOR ALL SINS THOU THAT BELIEVS IN ME AND CALLS ME LORD..PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE SINS FORGIVEN..THEN ONE OF THE DECIPLES SAID: DOESNT THAT MEAN WE CAN GO OUT AND DRINK AND GET DRUNK AND WHOOOPTIE DO AND WE CAN FILL OUR DESIRES AND YET BE FORGIVEN... BUT JESUS SAID: NO! BECAUSE THE SINS OF THE FLESH ARE DEATH TO THE FLESH, (SO) IF YOU UNDERSTAND, IF WE SIN AFTER WE HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS AS OUR LORD AND GOD, AND GO ABOUT IN PERVERS SINS OR ANY SIN, THERE IS A PRICE TO PAY FOR SINS COMMITTED IN THE FLESH..AND THAT IS DEATH OF THE FLESH. PRETTY SIMPLE. AIDS IS ONE EXAMPLE. DRINK TOO MUCH, AND YOU DIE OF LIVER DISEASE...ON AND ON , GET THE PICTURE.

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If he has forgotten your future sins, then you can do what you like. Lucky you.READ ABOVE.. SALVATION IS FOR ALL WHO COME TO THE REDEAMING POWER OF JESUS.not just me..ANYONE.

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[QUOTE][B]and seperated them as far as the east is to the west..and cast them down to the deepest bottom of the deepest ocean. [/QUOTE]

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Are you really from this century?THIS COMMENT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ITS MEANING..

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Well... any God that doesn't threaten his children with eternal pain and death if they don't do as he says. Sounds like a child abusing father to me.NO, GOD IS A JUST GOD, AND SIN CANNOT GO UNPUNISHED..LOOK AT EXAMPLE OF THE CITIES OF SODOM/GOMORRAH WOULD YOULIKE TO LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE NOTHING WENT UNPUNISHED.. WE WOULD BE LIKE A SOCIETY OF MAGGOTS.

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Lying/cursing/hating/killing/homosexuality/bisexual/haters of God/cheating/gosiping/and lots more are sammples of sin that God has written about in the bible to tell us not to do them.

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So do you love or hate homosexuals? Remember, you can't lie. I also notice that many of your posts contain forms of gossiping - just because your sins are on the ocean floor, I wouldn't push it.I RESPECT ALL MEN AS I AM COMMANDED BY MY GOD...BUT HE IS NO RESPECTOR OF ANY MAN..HE IS GOD..YES I HAVE A LOVE FOR ALL WHO WANT TO COME TO A DECISION ABOUT JESUS...YES I HAVE A DEEP CONCERNING LOVE FOR PEOPLE
WHO ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT OF THEIR SINS...AS MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME.. LOVE THE PERSON...AND HATE THE SIN...ANYONE CAN COME OUT OF ANY SIN THEY ARE IN...BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS DID FOR YOU ON THE CROSS.. HE DIED IN PLACE OF YOU AND ME...WE SHOULD HAVE HUNG ON THAT CROSS..AND GONE STRAIGHT TO HELL FOR WHAT ADAM AND EVE DID IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN.
BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY DID, THEY BROUGHT SIN INTO THE WORLD BY DISOBEYING THE VERY COMMAND FROM GOD HIMSELF, NOT TO EAT OF THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL.. AND THEY DID,AND THEY SINNED AGAINS GOD DOING THAT VERY DAMMING ACT. THAT IS WHEN THEY WERE THROWN OUT OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN..AND SIN ENTERED INTO THE WORLD.. REMEMBER WHEN GOD CAME DOWN IN THE COOL OF THE EVENING TO TALK TO ADAM.. ADAM HAD NO SIN.. BECAUSE GOD CANNOT BE WITH SIN, BECAUSE GOD IS SINLESS...WHEN ADAM SINNED, GOD NEVER CAME BACK DOWN TO ADAM TO TALK TO HIM. .. GOD KICKED HIM OUT OF THE GARDEN ALONG WITH EVE. AND WERE CURSED , AND THEIR SEED WAS CURSED,(THAT IS ALL MANKIND BORN OUT OF THE SIN OF ADAM AND EVE), ALL DAMMED TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE..BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO BECOME THE FINAL SACRIFICE TO ATTONE FOR MANS SIN..SAY A BRIDGE BACK TO GOD. BECAUSE GOD LOVES US..HE DOESNT WILL ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT COME TO THE CROSS FOR FORGIVENESS...AND BE GRAFTED BACK INTO THE FAMILY OF GOD.ITS CALLED.. SAVED.. SAVED FROM HELL ..OR BORN AGAIN...SEE ONCE YOU WERE BORN FROM YOUR MOM RIGHT?...BUT YOU HAVE A SPIRIT IN YOU..THATS HOW GOD CREATED YOU..YOUR SPIRIT IF NOT SAVED WILL END IN HELL.. BUT IF WE CHOOSE CHRIST AS OUR GOD AND SAVIOR .(READ ROMANS 10: 9-10, THE PLAN OF SALVATION.. ),THEN WE ARE BORN AGAIN.. OUR SPIRIT IS BORN INTO THE FAMILY OF GOD.. ONCE YOUR SPIRIT IS BORN TO GOD.. SATAN CAN NO LONGER HAVE CONTROLL OF YOUR SPIRITUAL DESTINY.. BORN AGAIN..BORN OF THE FLESH FIRST.. THEN BORN OF THE SPIRIT...INTO THE FAMILY OF GOD. THATS HOW YOUR NAME IS WRITTEN IN THE LAMBS (JESUS) BOOK OF LIFE. ONCE YOU ACCEPT JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR.. HE IS THE ONLY WAY BACK TO GOD...FOR BY GRACE YE ARE SAVED.. GRACE BEING THE : UNWARRANTED FAVOR GIVEN YOU AND I... WHAT A GIVING GOD WE HAVE...WHAT A GREAT SAVIOUR WE HAVE IN JESUS..

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p.s. I think you are a very unbalanced individual, and pity your existence. I don't know what could have driven you to be so confused - maybe you were bullied at school, or your parents hated you, or maybe they were just as obsessed with punishing sinners and it rubbed off on you - I just hope no one comes to harm by your hand.

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WHEN SOMEONE IS NOT A CHILD OF CHRIST, HE CANNOT DISCERN THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT...YOU SHOULD NOT CONFUSE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR FLESH AND YOUR SPIRIT...SO DONT ATTACK ME PERSONALLY AS YOU HAVE ABOVE..YOU MAY PITTY MY EXISTANCE, BUT GOD HOLDS ME PRECIOUS IN HIS HANDS..I WAS NEVER BULLIED IN SCHOOL..IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT NEVER BOTHERED ME.MY PARENTS LOVED ME VERY MUCH.NO HARM WILL COME TO ANYONE FROM MY HAND...MY HAND IS REACHING OUT TO YOU, TO OFFER YOU A FREE GIFT GIVEN BY MY SPIRITUAL FATHER JESUS..THAT GIFT IS SALVATION FROM YOUR SIN AND THE EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT OF YOUR SIN...JESUS PROVIDED
THE PATH BACK TO THE FATHER , BACK TO HIMSELF..HE LOVES US ALL SO MUCH THAT HE DOESNT WILL ANY TO SUFFER THE PITS OF HELL..I CHOOSE JESUS. CONFUSION IS OF THE DEVIL..THATS WHAT HE DOES..HE WILL DO ANYTHING IN HIS POWER TO PULL YOU DOWN TO HELL WITH HIM...AND IF ITS TO THRU PERSUASION.. MONEY ,SEX, CONFUSION..LIES. ETC, HE WILL DO IT JUST TO PULL YOU INTO HELL. UMM.. DONT WANNA GO THERE...NOT IF THERE IS A FREE WAY TO BE FORGIVEN THE PUNISHMENT OF MY SINS. I THINK I WILL TAKE THE WAY THAT IS ALREADY PAID FOR ..THE FREE TRIP...NO DOWN PAYMENT...NO CONFUSION.. JUST GOTTA HAVE FAITH..AND BELIEVE, AND ACCEPT JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOUR... AHH HEAVEN..STREETS OF GOLD..NO NIGHT..NO CRYING..NO HATERID...NO GANGS...NO SIN.NO LIES..NO PERVESION.
YOUR CHOICE...NOT MINE. YOU MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICE. I PRAY YOU MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE TODAY BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE FOR YOU TO HAVE A CHOICE.
GOD BLESS YOU GREATLY IN YOUR TRAVEL TO FIND THE TRUTH..
P.S. JESUS IS THE TRUTH, THRU HIM AND ONLY HIM IS THERE SALVATION , BY NO OTHER NAME CAN A MAN ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD, BUT THRU THE BLOOD OF JESUS. HIS SAVING POWER.

John...why do i get the feeling you are a devil worshiper..i get my clue from you placing an X before anity..as in CHRISTianity...are you so afraid of the true power of jesus you cant even spell his name..
you have got a long way to go john..
Please excuse me from these forums, as Jesus has been rejected , and i kick off the dust of your home from my shoes, and leave.
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