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iano Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Perhaps another way to look a natural is that it is really -----natural. In other words, everything is supernatural, but when your understanding is only partial (which ours will forever be) then you don't observe the 'super'(which always attaches to 'natural') and conclude quite -----naturally, that it is only -----natural.
Hence Monism Hence the bibles term: the "natural man" (used to describe the spiritually blind) This message has been edited by iano, 04-May-2006 04:46 PM
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
The world we experience is not real? This is a good candidate for an OP. You should start on thread on this question. First thing that enters my head is what about moving pictures. You go and see a series of stills flashed on a screen and perceive motion. This is just an example. It is established that atoms are mostly space so what is solidity? So what do you mean by experience? Sensory perception? Memory? lfen
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
The world we experience is not real? Robin's was the 42nd post in this thread. And he asked this particular question. Eerie! (For those of us to whom it means something: could this be the ultimate question of the Universe, Life & Everything?) This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 04-May-2006 08:14 PM
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666_DBz Inactive Junior Member |
How did we get on this subject again ?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You should start on thread on this question. I can't start any more threads right now. First I have to figure out how something can come from nothing. That may take awhile. Maybe YOU should start a thread. I think, ifen, that you may be a philosophical idealist.
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iano Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Robin was maybe-ing. As was I
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iano Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I'd ask my knower and leave it at that. Call it Occams Razor. Its much quicker. Just because someone says black is in fact white doesn't mean you have to think about it for too long
I think, ifen, that you may be a philosophical idealist. Given what your attempting to figure out, I don't see a whole lot of difference between you This message has been edited by iano, 04-May-2006 11:25 PM
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Given what your attempting to figure out, I don't see a whole lot of difference between you
I mean he thinks that reality is mental in nature (or "spiritual"--same thing). I don't think that.
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iano Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Ah..
I took it that "philospophical idealist" meant someone who could arrive at an ideal (truth), philosophically. Which is what you perpetually seem to require (ad hom not intended) I cannot help the notion that unless a solution is generated from within RR's own brain it will never be found acceptable. This might or might not gel with a tract you may or may not have had shoved in your hand at some point by some eager-evangelical: depicting A Throne.... and your relative position (desired and actual) This message has been edited by iano, 05-May-2006 12:39 AM
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Which is what you perpetually seem to require (ad hom not intended) If you mean I try to figure things out, I do. Quite seriously.
I cannot help the notion that unless it a solution is generated from within RR's own brain it will never be found acceptable. It doesn't have to come from me (although that would be nice), as long as it makes sense. I could read it in a book, for example. I get ideas from books, lots of them. But the rule is, I have to be able to understand it.
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iano Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
If you mean I try to figure things out, I do. Quite seriously. I know you do, seriously.
It doesn't have to come from me (although that would be nice), as long as it makes sense. I could read it in a book, for example. I get ideas from books, lots of them. And no matter how long you continue, there will exist evermore books with evermore new ideas (none of which are actually). You will never conclude until the day you die. You could hardly, having done all that, come up with a more ignorant and vacuous dying word as those of an acknowledged genius such as Richard Feynman (assuming they are true)
"I'd hate to die twice. It's so boring" (last words).(from wiki) Maybe its time to quit surfing broad and to pick that which seems to make the best (hazy) sense to date. And take the plunge in going deeper. Time waits for no man
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
That's a good quote but I like this one even better:
Feynman served on the commission investigating the 1986 Challenger disaster. "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." Richard Feynman - Wikipedia
As to vacuous and ignorant I think your statement is a revealing projection on your part but tells us nothing about Feynman. lfen edited due to misclicking before finished This message has been edited by lfen, 05-04-2006 08:02 PM
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
I mean he thinks that reality is mental in nature (or "spiritual"--same thing). I don't think that. That is ususally the position I am working on. Though I am also trying to figure out if there are aspects to matter/energy that with sufficient complexity gives rise to consciousness as an emergent phenomena. That is to say does energy have some kind of inner qualities that an organism with a nervous system can access as qualia? lfen
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U can call me Cookie Member (Idle past 4984 days) Posts: 228 From: jo'burg, RSA Joined: |
This would be an "intrinsic difference" argument and so would relate to the second part of my post.
"The good Christian should beware the mathematician and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of hell." - St. Augustine
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I cannot help the notion that unless a solution is generated from within RR's own brain it will never be found acceptable Actually, you make a good point, iano. This amateur philosophizing is rather ridiculous.
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