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crashfrog
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Message 107 of 126 (317127)
06-03-2006 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by nwr
06-02-2006 11:56 PM


Re: Information is an abstraction???
The problem you're having with comprehension here is that when Rob says that your statement that information is an abstraction "contradicts itself", it's because when he reads a statement like
quote:
Information is an abstraction.
the only way he knows how to interpret it is like this:
quote:
There is no such thing as truth.
Just wanted to make sure you both were on the same page.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 111 of 126 (317134)
06-03-2006 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Rob
06-03-2006 12:23 AM


Re: Information is an abstraction???
Yes, your right Crashfrog, but only partially... I am taking his statement to it's foundation. That is all...
No, you're not. You're conflating a number of seperate concepts that really have nothing to do with each other. For instance, an "abstraction" is not the same as a "lie." Many abstractions are true.
A book contains no information if no one is able to read it. Information is simply an arrangement of matter - an abstraction - that causes changes in our brains, through our senses, that we recognize as information. If that information happens to be a true statement about the world, it's not because of anything the statement contains in itself; it's because we all have rules about how to create statements that improve the odds that they'll be true. We call those rules "reason."
And, no, I'm not condradicting myself. My statements are both abstractions and true.

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