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Author Topic:   What's Best Reconciliation of Gen 1 and 2 You've Heard?
Jon
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Message 232 of 307 (317351)
06-03-2006 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by simple
06-03-2006 5:27 PM


OK, so? You want to display your attempt at explaining a verse. Fine. Pitiful, but fine. Even through a dark glass, one ought to see God had finished by chap 2!
Yet you're the only one who sees it that way. Perhaps you're the one looking through the dark glass?
Chap 2 is not a replacement, it is another chapter. One that gives more details of what was just created. The man was Adam. The woman was Eve. I mean, get with the plan here.
Actually, if you've ever bothered reading the Bible, you'll see that Eve isn't named until Chapter 3. We get that detail regardless of Chapter 2.
Trék

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Jon
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Message 242 of 307 (317381)
06-03-2006 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by simple
06-03-2006 9:37 PM


She isn't mentioned as named yet till there, is there any reason Adam may not have named her the day after he named the animals?
Once again, my advice to you is the same as it's been the whole way through: READ THE BOOK!
quote:
Gen 3:20 -- And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
His reason was because Eve was going to have children. Clearly he could not give her a name in Gen 2 for a reason that didn't exist. She first needed to become pregnant (post-Fall) and then he named her. I'm beginning to think there isn't a single chapter that you don't misread.
No, I am not the only one. Just read a bible commentary some day.
I've actually read a few, yes. However, never have I heard of anything so crazy as plants on the moon and humans in space. Please now, it's time to set the pipe aside and read the book for what it says.
Trék
Edited by Invictus, : fixed broken tag

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Jon
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Message 247 of 307 (317389)
06-03-2006 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by simple
06-03-2006 9:33 PM


Beings. For example the lady watching creation in Proverbs chap 8.
C'mon mate! You're just inventing more fanciful ideas in order to prove the other (obviously false) fanciful ideas. All in support of a twisted half-literalist/half-drunk reading of what now appears to be not only Gen 1&2, but the whole Bible too!
Insinuating God doesn't have His Ps and Qs right as author of the bible!
Tell me, what evidence do you have that God wrote the Good Book?
Trék

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Jon
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Message 248 of 307 (317395)
06-03-2006 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by simple
06-03-2006 10:22 PM


That is why they were made male and female.
Now, can you show me why no babies could have been existing before the fall?
It's not that they COULDN'T exist, it's just that they DIDN'T exist. Adam cannot name his wife Eve because she is mother of all the living long before she bears children. Afterall, Adam was fresh formed from the ground... I doubt he knew much about what he would do with a woman. Look at her? Sit on her?... oh WAIT! Have children with her... becomes quite obvious after gaining the knowledge of good and evil, don't you think?
But, I'm going to stop with Eve and her name, because it's not important to the creation.
Trék

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Jon
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Message 252 of 307 (317438)
06-04-2006 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by simple
06-04-2006 12:59 AM


Actually I am correct here. Read it and see.
The Bible doesn't talk about creatures beeing created on a foreign celestial body and put on hold until God made the animals (which prevented the creatures from seeing the creation, yet allowed them to be made BEFORE creation was done).
It is alive, it works. It's prophesies are beyond compare. I have no reason whatsoever to assume He did not give us a book.
Your belief that it is right is NOT evidence.
Trék

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Jon
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Message 264 of 307 (317453)
06-04-2006 2:12 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by arachnophilia
06-04-2006 1:55 AM


Re: HEADS UP a simple siting or a clone of simple
maybe we should just ignore him.
Well said! There are still 36 more posts left here for valid people who have valid arguements; let's save the space for them .
Trék
Edited by Invictus, : horrible mess with copy-paste

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Jon
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Message 294 of 307 (317973)
06-05-2006 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by vitalprikalist
06-05-2006 1:16 PM


Re: Genesis 1,2
Animals were created first.
Then, when man was created, God created the animals in front of man so that he could name them.
Does this mean the animals were created twice? It helps to rid the contradiction, but only to bring up another question: why make animals twice? Why make them before Man and then after Man? Certainly just making Man first to start with would accomplish what you say here:
...since God created the animals in front of Adam, satan couldn't come in and claim to have been the creator.
And then we wouldn't need the extra creation of animals.
That is why satan went after Eve first.
That's a very interesting point of view. For now, I can't see much wrong with it. Despite the rest of your message, this part seems like it just might hold some water.
Trék

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Jon
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Message 298 of 307 (318089)
06-05-2006 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by Teets_Creationist
06-05-2006 6:19 PM


Re: No Contradiction If Read LITERALLY
If you bring the arguement to the table, you need the evidence. You can't bring up the arguement and tell us to go find evidence supporting your opinion!
Nevertheless:
Check out the definitions on the words CREATED, MADE, and FORMED.
quote:
Dictionary.com
v. formed, form·ing, forms
v. tr.
1.
1. To give form to; shape: form clay into figures.
2. To develop in the mind; conceive: form an opinion.
2.
1. To shape or mold (dough, for example) into a particular form.
2. To arrange oneself in: Holding out his arms, the cheerleader formed a T. The acrobats formed a pyramid.
3. To organize or arrange: The environmentalists formed their own party.
4. To fashion, train, or develop by instruction or precept: form a child's mind.
3. To come to have; develop or acquire: form a habit.
4. To constitute or compose a usually basic element, part, or characteristic of.
5.
1. To produce (a tense, for example) by inflection: form the pluperfect.
2. To make (a word) by derivation or composition.
6. To put in order; arrange.
v. intr.
1. To become formed or shaped.
2. To come into being by taking form; arise.
3. To assume a specified form, shape, or pattern.
quote:
Dictionary.com
tr.v. cre·at·ed, cre·at·ing, cre·ates
1. To cause to exist; bring into being. See Synonyms at found1.
2. To give rise to; produce: That remark created a stir.
3. To invest with an office or title; appoint.
4. To produce through artistic or imaginative effort: create a poem; create a role.
adj. Archaic
Created.
quote:
Dictionary.com
v. made, (md) mak·ing, makes
v. tr.
1. To cause to exist or happen; bring about; create: made problems for us; making a commotion.
2. To bring into existence by shaping, modifying, or putting together material; construct: make a dress; made a stone wall.
3. To form by assembling individuals or constituents: make a quorum.
4. To change from one form or function to another: make clay into bricks.
5.
1. To cause to be or become: made her position clear; a decision that made him happy.
2. To cause to assume a specified function or role: made her treasurer; made Austin his home.
6.
1. To cause to act in a specified manner: Heat makes gases expand.
2. To compel: made him quit.
7.
1. To form in the mind: make an estimate.
2. To compose: make verses.
8.
1. To prepare; fix: make dinner.
2. To get ready or set in order for use: made the bed.
3. To gather and light the materials for (a fire).
9.
1. To engage in: make war.
2. To carry out; perform: make a phone call; make an incision.
10. To achieve, produce, or attain: made peace between the two sides; not making sense; didn't make the quota.
11.
1. To institute or establish; enact: make laws.
2. To draw up and execute in a suitable form: make a will.
3. To arrange or agree to: make a date.
12.
1. To arrive at; reach: made Seattle in two hours.
2. To reach in time: just made the plane.
13.
1. To attain the rank or position of: made lieutenant.
2. To acquire a place in or on: made the baseball team; made the newspapers.
14.
1. To gain or earn, as by working: make money.
2. To behave so as to acquire: make friends.
3. To score or achieve, as in a sport: made a field goal.
15.
1. To assure the success of: Favorable reviews can make a play.
2. To favor the development of: Practice makes a winning team.
16. To be suited for: Oak makes strong furniture.
17. To develop into: will make a fine doctor.
18.
1. To draw a conclusion as to the significance or nature of: don't know what to make of the decision.
2. To calculate as being; estimate: I make the height 20 feet.
3. To consider as being: wasn't the problem some people made it.
19.
1. To constitute: Ten members make a quorum.
2. To add up to: Two and two make four.
3. To amount to: makes no difference.
20. To cover (a distance): made 200 miles before sunset
21. To constitute the essence or nature of: Clothes make the man.
22. To cause to be especially enjoyable or rewarding: You made my day.
23. To appear to begin (an action): She made to leave.
24. Slang. To persuade to have sexual intercourse.
v. intr.
1. To act or behave in a specified manner: make merry; make free.
2. To begin or appear to begin an action: made as if to shake my hand.
3. To cause something to be as specified: make ready; make sure.
4. To proceed in a certain direction: made for home; made after the thief.
5. Slang. To pretend to be; imitate. Used with like: made like a ballerina.
6. To undergo fabrication or manufacture: This wool makes up into a warm shawl.
7. To rise or accumulate: The tide is making.
n.
1. The act or process of making; manufacturing.
2. The style or manner in which a thing is made: disliked the make of my coat.
3. The amount produced, especially the output of a factory.
4. A specific line of manufactured goods, identified by the manufacturer's name or the registered trademark: a famous make of shirt.
5. The physical or moral nature of a person; character or disposition: found out what make of man he was.
6. Slang. Identification of a person or thing, often from information in police records: Did you get a make on the thief?
Any chance you could tell us which definition you're using? And please, say what you have to say AND add your evidence. We're running out of posts.
Trék

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