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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4929 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
We don't have much information about the first few centuries of Christianity, so there is little we can say with authority about that period. In addition, until it was adopted as the official religion of the State by Constantine, it was but another of the minor religious sects out there and so pretty much incapable of oppressing anyone. As to the second part of your statemnt, whether it exists today, I also demonstrated that the practices of intolerance continue today. The late troubles in Ireland, Faith's very own words and examples like the attempts to oppress segments of the American population that continue today support my contention. The rest of your post relating to Islamic practices are pointless and off topic anyway. This thread is not about whether or not some other religion sucks, it's about Christianity, and historically, Christianity has been about the most violent, intolerant force on earth. How much clearer do you need this to be? Jar's "contention" is that Christianity is evil, both in the past and today. Now, he may now be backtracking....who knows, but this WAS his argument. Edited by randman, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I provided a lengthy qu0tation of our exchange where you did indeed say that Christianity is evil, both in the past and present. Again, you misrepresent what I said. Please point out EVEN in the parts you quotemined (and failed to give links to the messages) where I said "that Christianity is evil, both in the past and present."
Now, as far as board moderators, I personally think your behaviour here warrants a suspension for suggesting dishonesty and lying on my part when it is clear that you did, in fact, say Christianity is a force for evil but insinuate you did not and that I was lying. Folk are fully capable of reading what you post, and then how you distort what is said. They can decide who is lying. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4929 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I suppose you can get away with suggesting others are lying. I am not surprised, but to answer you jar.
You said:
Christianity has been about the most violent, intolerant force on earth. You make it plain that Christianity, in your opinion, is still oppresive today, right? You have said this on other threads, right? You claimed Christianity cannot be split up into subgroups, right? What's your beef? It IS YOUR CLAIM that Christianity is evil, not mine. There is no misrepresentation of you here.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Please show where I have said "that Christianity is evil" or retract your assertion.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Hey Randman. Ever tried nailing jello to a wall?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4929 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
No, but my point jar is you say you are a Christian but then claim Christianity is a force for evil. Are you then a force for evil? How do you know your ideas of Christ-likeness are correct? And if you are asserting that Christ's real teachings are not a force for evil in the world, then shouldn't you qualify your claims that Christianity is the greatest force of evil in the world, and say that false Christianity is? The way you put it, being a Christian means that you are part of a great, evil force, and Jesus is not part of Christianity because Christianity is evil and unChristlike, right? Jar responded with:
Not at all. Of course, he was not a Christian, but rather a nice Jewish boy. The Map is not the Territory randman. The question is whether or not Christianity as it has been practiced down through the ages is at all Christ-like. And sadly, history and compemporary life, say that the answer is a resounding "No!" There is no sense that he is saying, no randman, you misunderstand my point...I am not saying Christianity is evil. In fact, he reiterates the opposite, and now has the gall to say I am misrepresenting him. To all that question my comments here, just what should a reasonable person think jar's argument is? I think it's clear his argument is that Christianity is evil or as he suggests the greatest force of violence and oppression in human history. I am simply asking questions to challenge him on how he knows what true Christianity or Christ-likeness is, if Christianity is so evil, and we cannot trust the gospels, etc, etc,....
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4929 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Iano, that's about it, isn't it?
We'll see if fairness rules here and jar is suspended or not.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
randman, support the assertion that you made in Message 93 or retract it.
To help you remember, you said "Jar is saying that the belief system and religion called Christianity is evil, but then says he is a Christian." It really is as simple as that. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I wouldn't call for suspensions either way. If you find a person to be wilfully evasive then there seems to be little reason to engage them.
Its not compulsory that you do. As Jar so often says, the reader can decide for themselves. "Folk aren't THAT blind" is my own motto when I see the jello slide, yet again, down the wall.. It really is as simple as that
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4929 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Thank GOD Jesus was not a Christian.
message 5 http://EvC Forum: Open Question For Jerry Falwell (and those who agree with him) -->EvC Forum: Open Question For Jerry Falwell (and those who agree with him) I really don't have time to delve into all of jar's past comments, which are clear regardless, in that he thinks Christianity is a great or at times even the greatest force of oppression on earth. My point in this quote though is just to point out that jar does indeed think of Jesus as not Christian, and that Christianity needs to be more Christ-like. I agree that Christianity should Christ-like except the difference is I have a reason besides my own subjective experience for arguing what is Christ-like and that reason is that I believe the gospels are valid, and moreover, point out that where reading the gospels is prevalent, we see Christians be more Christ-like in exchewing persecutions. Edited by randman, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
randman writes: jar does indeed think of Jesus as not Christian Well, of course Jesus was not a Christian. How could He be? If He followed Himself, He'd be chasing His tail. This thread is (supposed to be) about the "barbarity" of Christianity. The OP (which in my opinion is extremely thin) says:
quote: The assumption is that Islam is barbarous and the question is, "Does Christianity rise as high on the barbarity scale as Islam?" If anybody has a right to be offended, it is the Muslims. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4929 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I will be happy to compare the barbarity of Christianity and Islam at any time. But there has never been a more intolerant, barbaric movement on earth than Christianity. Really?
The rest of your post relating to Islamic practices are pointless and off topic anyway. This thread is not about whether or not some other religion sucks, it's about Christianity, and historically, Christianity has been about the most violent, intolerant force on earth. I guess that means he is happy if Islam is off-topic, and it's all about "the most violent, intolerant force on earth", but that doesn't mean jar has ever called Christianity evil... Edit to add this gem from jar in admin mode:
This is not a topic about Islam, but rather about the barbarity of Christianity. Try to stay on topic. Ringo, you are correct though that the OP includes Islam, and so the thread really should be about comparing Islam and Christianity, but jar and adminjar decided to see if differently.....btw, must be empowering to decide the rules in your favor as you participate in debate and forget the OP! Edited by randman, : No reason given. Edited by randman, : No reason given.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4929 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Btw, the troubles in Ireland are not primarily religiously motivated. For the Orangemen, religion has been a motivation going back a long ways, but it began as largely political.
For the IRA, religion has nothing to do with it at all, for the most part.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Let's not change the subject randman!
Either support the assertion you made in Message 93 that I have said "Christianity is evil" or retract it. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4929 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I suppose you can get away with suggesting others are lying. I am not surprised, but to answer you jar.
You said: Christianity has been about the most violent, intolerant force on earth. You make it plain that Christianity, in your opinion, is still oppresive today, right? You have said this on other threads, right? You claimed Christianity cannot be split up into subgroups, right? What's your beef? It IS YOUR CLAIM that Christianity is evil, not mine. There is no misrepresentation of you here.
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