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John 10:10
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Message 217 of 303 (374026)
01-03-2007 1:58 PM
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01-03-2007 10:36 AM


Re: Too funny.
But what does it mean to "believe" in Him? It means what John says in John 1:12-13,
"But as many as received Him (the Lord Jesus), to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God."
Those that are born of God are "born again" by God's Spirit as Jesus declares in John 3:3-7, thus entering into the kingdom of God.
Without being "born again" and receiving the gift of God's Spirit, one cannot understand the message, let alone obey the message. Believing that the Lord Jesus was crucified, died for our sins and rose on the third day is NOT trivial. It is the essence of the Gospel of Christ. The Lord now sits at the right hand of the Father (Acts 2:33). Do you believe this as well?

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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John 10:10
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Message 223 of 303 (374085)
01-03-2007 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by ringo
01-03-2007 2:54 PM


Re: Too funny.
You ask, "But what does it mean to "receive" Him, if not to receive the message that He brought?"
The gift of eternal life that Jesus gives is found first in the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ. Then you can move on to the message the Lord gives.
You ask, "But what does it mean to be "born again", if not to start over, to make a new beginning, a new life as He told us to live?"
Yes, it means precisely that. Nicodemus asked the same question of Jesus on John 3:4. Jesus replied, "Unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God (John 3:5).
Those who concentrate only on the message without first entering into the new covenant "born again" relationship with Jesus have missed the saving Gospel of Christ.
2 Cor 3:6 "who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."
Blessings

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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John 10:10
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Message 230 of 303 (374108)
01-03-2007 5:54 PM
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01-03-2007 10:49 AM


Re: Too funny.
I explained to you how the Old Laws were still valid in that they bring us to a knowledge of sin and our need for a Savoir, but you reject this Bible truth.
Jesus Himself declares that salvation and the gift of eternal life is found in Him alone (John 5:39-40), but you reject this Bible truth as well.
The God who created the universe and all the laws of science (the system of evolution was created by man) is infinitely bigger than my puny brain, or yours either. This one thing I know: Everyone is a sinner and needs a Savoir, but you reject this Bible truth as well.

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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Message 231 of 303 (374112)
01-03-2007 6:00 PM
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01-03-2007 5:18 PM


Re: Too funny.
God is a just God and He will deal justly with those who may never have heard the saving Gospel of Christ (Rom 2:11-16).
The question for you is this: What will you do with the saving Gospel of Christ

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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Message 233 of 303 (374117)
01-03-2007 6:06 PM
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01-03-2007 5:25 PM


The message Jesus gives is that you can't truly live the message until you are first "born again" by the Spirit of God, having your sins covered by His shed blood. Then you are in a position to allow Jesus' message to be worked and lived out through you by the power of God's Spirit.
It's as simple and as difficult as that!

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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Message 234 of 303 (374122)
01-03-2007 6:14 PM
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01-03-2007 6:04 PM


Re: Still more off topic irrelevancies from John10:10
Read my lips:
"I explained to you how the Old Laws were still valid in that God brings us to a knowledge of sin and our need for a Savoir, but you reject this Bible truth."
This is what the Bible teaches about the purpose of the Old Covenant Laws. Since you reject this Bible truth, why do you bother with anything God says in His Word?

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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Message 240 of 303 (374335)
01-04-2007 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by ringo
01-03-2007 6:23 PM


Yes, this is Bible study. When one studies the Bible - God's love letter to man, one studies the SUM of God's truth, not just a few verses that suit your personal opinions. When you reject the blood of Jesus which covers your sin and make light of your need to be "born again" as Jesus declared, then you are blinded of the true message of the Bible.

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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Message 241 of 303 (374339)
01-04-2007 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by jar
01-03-2007 6:24 PM


Re: Still more off topic irrelevancies from John10:10
The only law that really makes an eternal difference in what you believe is this one:
"The soul the sins will die" (Ezekiel 18:4).
The only question that really matters is this one:
What will you do with your sin?
If your answer is that you will try to live and do better and not sin so much, I wish you all the best when you stand before the Lord on judgment day.
Yes, one of us "ain't got a clue what the Biblical Truth is."

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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John 10:10
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Message 244 of 303 (374511)
01-04-2007 5:06 PM
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01-04-2007 10:52 AM


Re: Still more off topic irrelevancies from John10:10
Yes, Ezekiel 18 is about the sins of the father not being passed to the child. But it is also about sin - “The soul who sins is the one who will die” (verse 20). Your solution is to “try to do right, try not to do wrong, acknowledge where you have failed and try to do better in the future.” This solution is the solution of all the other religions of the world, except one - Christianity. Your solution won’t cut it on judgment day. Your name is not written into the Lamb’s book of eternal life based on enough good works. Your name is written into the Lamb’s book of eternal life based on having your sins covered by Jesus’ shed blood on Calvary’s cross and being “born again” by God’s Spirit. The Christian life is first and foremost BEING, then you can move on to DOING. The true Christian will be judged for his works so that he may or may not receive rewards in the eternal life to come, not so that he will be punished. The unbeliever who does NOT have his sins covered by Jesus’ shed blood on Calvary’s cross will be judged by the Lord not for rewards, but for degrees of punishment, eternally separated from God.
It’s as simple and as difficult as that.

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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Message 245 of 303 (374513)
01-04-2007 5:07 PM
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01-04-2007 10:55 AM


Ps 119:160 "The sum of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting."
If my “opinions” about being “born again” are irrelevant, so also are the words of Jesus in John 3:3-7. I’ll take His words over yours any day.

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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Message 251 of 303 (374534)
01-04-2007 5:52 PM
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01-04-2007 5:25 PM


Re: Still more off topic irrelevancies from John10:10
You write,
Can I please ask you what denomination you belong to? I have never in my life heard such phantasmagorical lingo as this.
I belong to the ONE TRUE CHURCH - THE BODY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
1 Cor 12:12-13 "For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit."

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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John 10:10
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Message 256 of 303 (374650)
01-05-2007 8:38 AM
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01-04-2007 5:55 PM


Re: Still more off topic irrelevancies from John10:10
You quoted Rom 2:14, but did not qoute the rest of this message.
14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
Jesus will judge the secrets of unbeliever's hearts, both word and deed. If one can live a perfect life, then their thoughts will defend them on this judgment day. If one cannot live a perfect life, then their thoughts will accuse them on this judgment day.
The Bible certainly declares there will degrees of rewards for those who are Jesus' "born again" children. I may be wrong about degrees of punishment for unbelievers who are not Jesus' children, but I believe the Hitlers, Saddams & Stalins of this world will receive greater punishment in the hereafter than those who reject the Lord's saving grace, but live relitively good lives and perform good deeds to their fellow man.
Yes, if the "un-born again" can perfectly keep the righteousness of the Law, then they will be counted as "born again." How well have you succeeded so far? For me, I need a Savoir.
Edited by John 10:10, : Added comment

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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Message 258 of 303 (374686)
01-05-2007 11:51 AM
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Re: Still more off topic irrelevancies from John10:10
Mt 5:48
"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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Message 260 of 303 (374951)
01-06-2007 2:11 PM
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01-05-2007 12:16 PM


Re: Still more off topic irrelevancies from John10:10
Are you forever going to bound to the letter of the Old Covenant, and miss the New Covenant?
2 Cor 3:
5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God,
6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
If you miss the New Covenant that is in the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ, then you miss it all, no matter how much to try to love your neighbor.

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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Message 263 of 303 (375019)
01-06-2007 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by ringo
01-06-2007 2:24 PM


Re: Still more off topic irrelevancies from John10:10
Since you consider the New Covenant "blather," you must also consider Jesus and His words blather as well. Jesus said this in Luke 22:20,
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.
For those who have entered into the New Covenant relationship with Jesus that is in His blood, the Old Covenant laws are wonderful for converting the soul (Psalms 19:7-14), but they are not binding.
Gal 5:22-23, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law."
Now have I spoken plainly to you?
Edited by John 10:10, : No reason given.

The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

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