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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: You are correct - at least by actual reference to its textual context. The sun was created in the beginning opening verse [heavens/galaxies]; the 4th day only refers to 'LUMINOSITY' - the texts allow no other reading, catering only to SIGNS [Astronomy] and omens [astrology]. The sun/stars do not emit luminosity until after an embryotic phase is successfully passed, and some stars do not achieve this status. Thus the earth recieved luminosity on the 4th 'cosmic day' [obviously, a non-24 hour day w/o the luminosity]. The 'days' in chapter 1 are thus epochs of time. The Genesis calendar, which is the oldest and most accurate in existence [able to predict a sunset a 100,000 years in advance, and accurate to a billionth of a sec]correctly begins with the advent of humans, namely the 5766 years refers from Adam to now. One must pause and consider what is being said via deep scientific and logical contemplation, and not be swayed by the decpetively simple biblical texts - these are in a mode which must cater to all generations of mankind. Genesis is also correct in placing 'Light' as the first entity - this is a pre-sun light [the stars could not produce light if it was not pre-existing of the stars]. The 'LET THERE BE LIGHT' is not particularly a conflict with the BBT, and also doubles up as a brilliant metaphor in its pre-sun light application.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
I will - cease using . Thanks
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Nothing of the sort. You still have to show a calendar older than 5766 years. That the genesis calendar is the most accurate - by a very far scale, is not in dispute anywhere. It is quite a mysterious thing - the only calendar based on the solar, lunar and earthly movements. Examing it closer, there is no other reading of it of a spherical earth - pre-dating Galelio by 3000 years! The christian gregorian and the islamic calendars are not scientific but based on beliefs. Allow me to give you an example of this calendar's exactness - in relation to its texts spread over five books, containing 100s of 1000s of dates in its verses and para's - which are all 100% synchrosized with each other - an amazing feat. In the book of Exodus, it says The ten Commandments were handed down on a 'Saturday': 'Remember *THIS* day as the Sabaath'/Ex - namely, this day meaning today is the Sabbath. If you calculate all the dates and follow this to day # 1 in the genesis calendar - it stacks up! The same applies to ALL dates pervasive in the OT. This is hardly bolderdash!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: That link ('here') does'nt work. Everything, even God, can be made in dispute - all it takes is one person and one post on the net. There is however no dispute about the predictability factor of the OT calendar. I have posted here the intergrated exactness of all numerical entries and dates in the OT, and that the listings of pages of generation names are scientifically authentic, so I won't repeat it; but there is great misinfo and misrep of the OT upon a hapless world audience, and this accounts for the surprise responses. There is a walt disney presentation of the OT stories promoted by European christianity (Isaac is portrayed as an 8 year child offered for sacrifice: actually Isaac was 37 years old!). The OT calendar's purpose was primarilly to observe the Sabaath sunset and sunrise, and the festivals mandated in the OT - which are seasonal and harvest oriented ('In the first harvest month' etc). The calendar is thus listed in the beginning of the book of genesis - to enable the observence of the laws which follow it throughout the five books. While you are right there are no hour and second breakdowns (clocks were not yet discovered), the day is devided in four sections (morning, evening, sunrise, sunset), and there are provisions for determining the sunrise and sunsets - that these are accurate to a fraction of a second was identified recently by scientists, and it is deemed the world's most accurate calendar: I can post you more affirmations of this than what you term as 'disputed'. I never made it up. This calendar is actively used today, and you can buy a future 10 year addition which lists the exact times of sunsets and sunrises in all parts of the world.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: There is no deficiency in those writings, except they are written in ancient form, stretching the boundaries for its times. "that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain" today aligns with the expanding galaxies ('stretcheth'). That the term 'dust' is used for life's emergence and return, can be aligned with base particles of matter. There is no better way to express such over 3000 years ago - it requires relative input.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Which part of genesis 1 is myth? I agree it is not school science - education has to be expressed empirically, in keeping with our understandings derived via science and maths. There are statutes and given constants in Genesis 1 - science has to explain them in empirical terms.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: The calendar is not a myth, nor are the list of chronological species and the paleontological names sited therein. That light is the first entiity, and the seed pivotal in repro and adaptation, are not myths but bona fide alternatives to any other premise. Same with the premise of dual-gendered life origins. These premises are the only ones being debated in science forums today - which means they are debatable scientific premises, and not myth. Genesis does not make blatantly unvindicated postulations - it does not say that life exists or does not exist on the moon, while its bold dating of speech endowed humans have not been over-turned. Creationism and Monotheism are also not myth - both stand tody as challenging, and the swing of science is inclined with genesis - namely newly emerging controversial theories such as MV and ID: 'A COMPLEXITY CANNOT RESULT FROM A RANDOM' - Roger Primrose, confirmed atheist, cosmologist and author of MultiVerse.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: The calendar is in Genesis, following after ch 1. The order of creation and/or the universe is correct and a most comprehensive listing. It starts with Light, and each step of creation involves an immediate 'SEPARATION' factor (creation & separation of light/darkness, water/earth, day/night/male/female, etc). This says all bears a factor of connectivity (intergration), while all also incurs a separation treshold which cannot be surpassed. It is arguably the only explanation why we have never encountered any knowledge of the unseen or the origins of anything whatsoever. There is no such thing as a 'SINGULARITY'. Edited by IamJoseph, : spell
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: The accuracy is determined not in genesis, but by scientists. The calendar is in genesis but not in v 1, which is limited to an over-view of creation. A calendar is applicable to 'mankind's emergence and time-dependent laws', thus it is listed appropriately.
quote: No, I never said predictions were made 100k years in advance, but that a sunset can be predicted 100k years in advance. I posted some links on this.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Genesis says the universe was created in Verse one, and the sun and moon luminocity appeared later. The aspect of vegetation is a good point, but you are incorrect here. Genesis does not say vegetation grew, but that the earth was 'static' before luminosity ('Now nothing grew....then a mist appeared and the rains fell'/Gen). So we have the ingredients in place, but these were static (not 'dynamic') - until a specific ignition phase. There is no alternative to this process as listed: the sun sustains, but does not produce, life - the reason we do not see life on the moon or anyplace else. The aspect of the moon reflecting the sun's light does not negate the moon being a light unto earth for the night time.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: It does answer the Q, and w/o the contradiction you impose on it. A 6000 year document can give a formular or premise which can be used to measure time - back or front. The genesis calendar is thus very accurate, incorporating the fluctuating movements and inclinations of the bodies which effect time on the earth and the seasonal change patterns and sea levels pursuent to full moon events - noted in Genesis. We do the same with measuring radiation residue to estimate the universe emergence datings. This calendar does incorporate some mysterious factors, when it's introduced spacetime is considered: it lists periods 2500 years prior to Moses, with authentic and contemporanous data with almost unacceptable/unaccountable veracity. Try naming your twice removed past generation's family tree, with names, places, dob's and dod's - and it becomes a point of astonishment: it is not possible even with today's computerised archiving facilities.
quote: I can get you the calendar in Genesis, which is common knowledge, but not the billion second demand: seconds were not discovered yet, remember? Edited by IamJoseph, : spelling
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: You verify my point. Names are scientifically provable of its historical authenticity of time and place, and I doubt if Rings can pass such a test. The name Abram applies to a pre-canaan spacetime, while the name Abraham/Avraham/Ibrahim is post-Abraham. This makes the significance of listing pages of generation names, after Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Esau and a host of other key figures - at first appearing as superflous - but in fact one of the strongest proofs of ancient writings' veracity.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Ancient names, correct of its spacetime, is the single most commonly used factor in archeological determinations; next up is writing styles. However, these are not the only factors applying with genesis - though those would be sufficient. The diets of the ancient egyptians, 3,500 years ago - are authentic, as are all secofically mentioned names, dates, places and historical data. Excepting for unexplainable miracles - all its historical content is historically valid. The content of the writings are thus true - the writings being true to its spacetime are also tru - this is an early, square design hebrew without vowels - in keeping of its datings. You may know - a bona fide diary is accepted evidence in a court hearing - even a murder trial!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: The Illiad is a poem, dealing with mythical hellenist dieties, and is not older than the OT - its dating is without any substantiation, with no hard-copy. It does not site verifiable items.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
It would have been more credible to nominate Hamurabi than the Illiad - which is an oral transmission recalled and put together centuries later. Its authenticity and datings are unverifiable with scholars. I have two of the most popular references below, however feel free to exhibit your preferred aligning with this document and the OT (sic!). Remember that one is a dead document with no historical content, eg. no historical figures, no dates, no background - its characters are based on Apollo and Venus, but its your choice to not see how the OT replaced hellenist paganism: the greeks themselves gave up this mythology when they translated the OT in 300 BCE, and went on to form christianity with the OT as its bedrock. Lets agree to disagree of what is historical and myth.
Perseus Encyclopedia,
Hades, Homer
Perseus Encyclopedia H HomerThe Greeks traditionally assumed that a single poet named Homer composed both the Iliad and the Odyssey, but we have no certain information about who composed these poems or how. Both the Homeric poems were composed in an oral poetic tradition that preceded the advent of writing. The Homeric poems were by far the most revered and influential works of literature in the ancient Greek (and Roman) world. They affected not only literature, both prose and poetry, but established a vision of the Heroic age that helped shape Greek society itself. Ancient sources do not agree on when Homer lived or where he came from. Ancient tradition generally connected him with Ionia, in particular with Chios and Smyrna, and the linguistic evidence of the Iliad and the Odyssey would support this, but nothing is certain. Different poets could have composed the Iliad and the Odyssey. And in the case of these epics, we cannot even define precisely what we mean by composition: the Homeric epics were composed in an oral poetic tradition that developed without the use of writing, but writing (which ultimately put an end to the oral composition of Greek poetry) has preserved for us these two poems. Did a “Homer” write these poems with his own hands? Did he dictate them to one or more scribes? Did he teach them, word for word, to disciples who then memorized and in turn passed them on to other generations of poets until they could be written down at some later date? Many have expressed opinions on these matters, but we have no hard evidence as to how these poems were composed, and we can only base our own conjectures on the rumors preserved from antiquity and from what we know of other oral traditions that have been observed in the modern world. The nature of Homeric epic itself is responsible for our ignorance of who composed these poems. The Iliad and the Odyssey are products of an oral poetic tradition, which developed without the use of writing. These poems are composed of metrical formulas: if the poet wishes to describe the sunrise in a single line, he has a ready made set of words at his disposal which he can apply. It does not matter if the same formulaic expression is repeated dozens of times in the course of a poem: the same line, for example, describes one person speaking to another (“he addressed him speaking winged words”, kai min phnsas epea pteroenta prosuda) at Hom. Il. 1.201, Hom. Il. 2.7, Hom. Il.4.312, Hom. Il.4.369 and at twenty-six other places in the Iliad and the Odyssey. The aesthetics of Homeric epic, at least on the level of the individual phrase or line, thus differ markedly from the conventions of modern poetry, which assiduously avoids repetition and places a very high value on novel turns of phrase. No one ever taught Greek epic poets not to repeat the same word in a single paragraph. ---------------------------------------------- IliadFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Iliad (Greek , Iliás) is, together with the Odyssey, one of two ancient Greek epic poems attributed to Homer, supposedly a blind Ionian poet.Date For most of the twentieth century, scholars dated the Iliad and the Odyssey to the 8th century BC. Some still argue for an early dating, notably Barry B. Powell, who has proposed a link between the writing of the Iliad and the invention of the Greek alphabet. Many others (including Martin West and Richard Seaford) now prefer a date in the 7th or even the 6th century BC. Martin Bernal proposes a date several centuries earlier. [edit] The story of the Iliad The Iliad begins with these lines: Sing, goddess, the rage of Achilles the son of Peleus,the destructive rage that sent countless pains on the Achaeans... The first word of the Iliad is (mnin), "rage" or "wrath". This word announces the major theme of the Iliad: the wrath of Achilles. When Agamemnon, the commander of the Greek forces at Troy, dishonors Achilles by taking Briseis, a slave woman given to Achilles as a prize of war, Achilles becomes enraged and withdraws from the fighting. The Iliad's huge cast of characters connects the Trojan War to many Greek myths, such as Jason and the Argonauts, the Seven Against Thebes, and the Labors of Hercules. Many Greek myths exist in multiple versions, so Homer had some freedom to choose among them to suit his story. See Greek mythology for more detail.The action of the Iliad covers only a few weeks of the tenth and final year of the Trojan War. It does not cover the background and early years of the war (Paris' abduction of Helen from King Menelaus) nor its end (the death of Achilles and the fall of Troy). SynopsisAs the poem begins, the Greeks have captured Chryseis, the daughter of Apollo's priest Chryses, and given her as a prize to Agamemnon. In response, Apollo has sent a plague against the Greeks, who compel Agamemnon to restore Chryseis to her father to stop the sickness. In her place, Agamemnon takes Briseis, whom the Achaeans had given to Achilles as a spoil of war. Achilles, the greatest warrior of the age, follows the advice of his goddess mother, Thetis, and withdraws from battle in revenge. In counterpoint to Achilles' pride and arrogance stands the Trojan prince Hector, son of King Priam, a husband and father who fights to defend his city and his family. With Achilles on the sidelines, Hector leads successful counterattacks against the Greeks, who have built a fortified camp around their ships pulled up on the Trojan beach. The best remaining Greek fighters, including Odysseus, Diomedes, and Ajax, are wounded, and the gods favor the Trojans. Patroclus, impersonating Achilles by wearing his armor, finally leads the Myrmidons back into battle to save the ships from being burned. The death of Patroclus at the hands of Hector brings Achilles back to the war for revenge, and he slays Hector in single combat. Hector's father, King Priam, later comes to Achilles alone (but aided by Hermes) to ransom his son's body, and Achilles is moved to pity; the funeral of Hector ends the poem.
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