Creator of God, Big Bang

order is established form.chaos is absolute disorder.the short time an element exist outside of its natural environment, is because its outside the natural environment. its important to understand, this for this reason:outside of God, man cannot exist.the order is relevant in understanding all things by this:water is two hydrogen , 1 oxygen, and become water. the hydrogen and oxygen do not war with each other, but compliment each other and exist in the order with perfection, which is water, and behaves in its environment as it should for that condition.now lets say a hydrogen becomes unstable, it would not be ordered, but rather disordered, then does the water cease to be water, because without two hydrogens, its not water. so also must oxygen be stable as oxygen to remain oxygen, and hydrogen by its own right ordered to remain hydrogen.a kingdom divided cannot stand, so also , can no order be established on top of disorder without direction.man has the power to direct, so we can take the ordered structure of water, which behaves rather disorderly in its environment, and build on top of it a ship. the ship will float and conquer the behavior of the orderly structure.other things also, with direction, or by properties contrary to the behaviors of water, can conquer water. by living in and below it, or on top.but no thing, not in all observation, can be chaos and order exist on top of it without direction. not one observation have i seen, nor been shown.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

no, it is only behaviors of natural orders, or something directed.you and many others continuously show me these natural behaviors and point to : hey hey its chaos chaos!but they are natural behaviors of the ordered structure.chaos can be contained within order, I've been shown that too.but none of that is order on top of chaos without direction.Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

i love you! you do understand! good, I'm excited at this turn of events lets observe electricity. it is apparently chaos contained within order (yet can be argued as order by some)so if its chaos within order, yet we create an order on top of it (computers) by directing its flow.this is just to show where order can be established by direction.now for the importance of the law, which when understood as true, works complimentary with the other laws i brought you, to prove God.law: nothing outside energy is real. something cannot literally come form nothing.ok. so something was before what is. what did it look like? how could such a order as the natural order exist?always was? man wasn't. the earth wasn't. science shows us that right? don't stars implode? change?so by looking to the beginning and the inevitable before that's we come to one energy. because as long as two energies are, before that is relevant.now the laws.apply those laws to a singular energy.singular energy question: intelligent? not intelligent? ordered? chaos?do you see? or ..how can i show where this law is important?...if you took a computer apart and put it in a box, and left it alone to the natural order , would it become a computer by chance?
.........if directed?...if i took all the energy of the universe and put it in a box..

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

i had thought you understood.uranium doesn't exist outside of an environment it can be sustained in.neither does electricity, the earth, the sun, nor the galaxy.all things are natural and a part of the natural order. a computer exists in the galaxy, subject to the laws of science that we have discovered are: the laws of the natural order.the natural order did not come from nothing. it is not sustained by nothing.there is nothing more then i can say, if you cant see that.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

spot on. Jesus is/was the consciousness of God that became one with the body of a man.so Jesus is one in God and God one with Jesus. and the two are one (consciousness and body)spot on my friend. spot on.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

i did read your post. the laws of physics? this sustains all things? its an observation. an observation that needs expansion.the "things" that the laws of physics pertain to, exist in what?you think something can come from nothing? what outside of energy is real? its a lie. and if you believe that, your standing there telling me that its potential i do not exist, while at the same time under the definite conclusion you "are".lightning and its apparent disorder, and non direction:lightning is positive forces and negative forces reacting to friction. lightning will go wherever the path i the easiest. thats how it is directed, and behaves natural for its condition. furthermore, electricity is lightning. and lightning electricity. and your computers and probably most things in your house operate on this power that we direct knowing how it is directed.i cant make the truth known to anyone, not even you, as intelligent as you are, what hope do i have when so many will not open there eyes to the truth? when so many live by misconceptions, and the truth being so hard to bear?Gods will be done.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

that nothingness is only apparent. in truth, there is no such thing as an empty space. there is always some form of energy present. if you don't believe that something can come form nothing, tell me, what did it (universe) come from? because this is the path I've been searching to discuss with you from the beginning.Edited by tesla, : defined "it"

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

ah. i see. so how do you see God? the christian God? all science came from the same start, so they cannot be in contradition with one another, not God or science.define your God, that does not sustain all that is from itself, with itself?

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

ok, thats honest . i like that, so if something cannot come from nothing, what did the universe come from? what did it look like before?or can you ask this question yourself at all? and leave it to be discovered by another scientist before you will believe it?Edited by tesla, : spelling

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

huh. well we agree on something here.how about you explain what the singularity is to me ?a singular energy?

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

... oops. Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

of course it does. and time is relevant is it not?when we say what was before man on earth, do you not have an answer?if there was no validity for the question "before" there would be no science that studies the past, to answer exactly that question.if you say time has no relevance in the evolving of our universe, then you say there is no past at all.i don't follow you.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

so..the answer is, something, yet science don't care to try to figure out what it is.unless we apply what we do know to what it potentially is, how can you ever understand it?Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

ah now i see. thank you for clarification and forgive my lack of understanding!so when you get to singularity, you mean that time had started.so when time started something was at that time..with no time. so we havesingularity: timeless energyi say energy, because the universe is energy, and nothing is real outside of energy, because if no energy, there's nothing there. nothing to measure, nothing to be.it cannot be timeless "nothing"so the singularity would have to be "something".is this what you are saying?

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

all the ENERGY of the universe, focused at ONE POINT.singluar energy that is timeless. because if two things are, time is relevent.Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides