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Author Topic:   Creator of God, Big Bang
Larni
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Message 47 of 162 (451641)
01-28-2008 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by tesla
01-27-2008 1:35 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
tesla writes:
see, i also had to have proof before i could fully accept in my heart the reality of God.
What is this proof of which you speak?
tesla writes:
but the laws prove themselves,
in the previous thread where you proposed your laws you established only that real things have to be real and that because energy is real so is your version of a god.
Nothing more.
tesla writes:
unless rahvin, you are willing to debate the laws for the truth of them, your just going to hold on to your own dogmatism.
But you have debated your laws on this forum with me and other and have simply repeated your assesrtions over and over.
Nothing more.
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 53 of 162 (451685)
01-28-2008 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by tesla
01-28-2008 10:42 AM


Re: Makes More Sense
tesla writes:
So existence is a synonym for God, in that in the begining, there was intellegent energy that existed singularly, and created all that is based on faith that it was/is.
This is what makes me almost want to cry, tesla. You kind of almost make sense up to the point where you conclude a god from the fact that the energy of the universe came from sometime in the past.
What you are effectively saying is that the background microwaves we can detect as a remnant of the big bang (or should be say big acceleration?) is your god.
We don't know about the initiation of the big bang; but that is no reason to conclude your gods' existance.
That is god of the gaps.

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Larni
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Message 55 of 162 (451706)
01-28-2008 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by tesla
01-28-2008 1:32 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
Look up background microwave energy. It's the echo of the big bang.
There's your genesis energy energy. No mess, no fuss.

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Larni
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Message 60 of 162 (451727)
01-28-2008 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by tesla
01-28-2008 2:35 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
Please look up the big bang theory. It has nothing to do with an 'explosion'. Think expansion and cooling.
tesla writes:
this however, does not mean that what exploded was the radiation,
Nothing exploded in the sense of chemical combustion. For the first 300k years or so there where not even atoms.
tesla writes:
there is a pile of wood. and a lighter. and i light the wood. the wood burns. it emits smoke, gasses, and leaves behind a pile of ashes. the ashes are an echo of what was,
Very poor analogy: you are conflating chemical combustion with the big bang.
tesla writes:
but is not the wood and lighter and hand that did the lighting that I'm looking for.
Sorry, is this a question?

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Larni
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Message 61 of 162 (451729)
01-28-2008 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by tesla
01-28-2008 3:24 PM


Re: clarification
tesla writes:
to further clarify the wood and fire analogy:
the wood is the Body, the hand is the Word
(intelligence/consciousness),and the lighter that did the lighting: Faith
This still makes no analogical sense.

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Larni
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Message 74 of 162 (451773)
01-28-2008 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by tesla
01-28-2008 4:32 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
tesla writes:
no one was there, this is a tentative theory "possibly true".
You do realise how absurd you sound when you basically say that the hundreds of person years spent accurately modelling the state of the universe are less valid in their conclusions than your personal observations?
On the one hand you say that the cosmology community uses tentative theories as if this is some flaw in the arguement and on the other hand you state with all confidence (but with no actual evidence) that you are correct because you have concluded it to be so.
Have you not wondered why both sides of the evc divide are unable to concur with your conclusion?
Th OP states that he conciders that a cloud of hydrogen coming out of no where is more plausible than a deity class entity spontaneously arising.
While one could argue it took years for hydrogen atoms to form as the universe cooled from it's quark-gluon plasma state, you can't get much less complex than this plasma (which has been recreated in the lab by the way).
A god arising from such plasma seems much less likely.

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Larni
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Message 81 of 162 (451903)
01-29-2008 4:47 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by tesla
01-28-2008 5:18 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
Tesla, in the spirirt of communiction could you please write in sentences and in a more prosaic way?
I find I have to read you comments a couple of times to understand what you are trying to say.
Is English your mother tongue?

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