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teen4christ
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Message 123 of 162 (452617)
01-30-2008 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Lemkin
01-30-2008 8:09 PM


Re: You're here too!
It is generally not a good idea to ask a moderator or admin for his opinion on the topic of discussion. A moderator or admin is suppose to be impartial in order to maintain a fair discussion.
How would you like it if you enter a trial with the judge and jury all have already decided that you were guilty and therefore dismiss out of hand all your evidence for your innocence? coincidently, one of these evidence could be a confession of the real murderer.

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teen4christ
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Message 126 of 162 (452624)
01-30-2008 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by tesla
01-30-2008 7:54 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
quote:
what did the universe come from?
Nobody knows.
quote:
did it look like before?
Other people have tried to explain this before, but I guess I'll take a stab at it.
This question doesn't make any sense because of the word "before" which implies time. Consider the following analogies.
If you are standing directly at the north pole, what is north of there?
If the road ends at exactly at point B, what does the road look like beyond point B?
If your life as a construction worker began 3 years ago, what was your life as a construction worker like before 3 years ago?
If Microsoft Company started in 1975, how much was the company making in profit in 1960?
As you've noticed, none of the above question have any sensible answer. We define north as the direction toward the north pole. There is no north from the north pole. No, the magnetic north pole does not count as the north pole.
If the road ends at point B, there is no road to speak of beyond this point.
If your life as a construction worker started 3 years ago, you didn't have a life as a construction worker before this point in time. The question is nonsensical.
Microsoft was founded in 1975. How could it have been making profits in 1960? Again, there's no answer to that question. The question itself doesn't deserve an answer.
So, let's look at your question. What did it look like before the BB. By definition, that was when time started. Time is linear and 1 directional. There is no such thing as negative time. Time started at T=0 and that's it. There was no "before". The question is nonsensical.

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teen4christ
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Message 128 of 162 (452629)
01-30-2008 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by tesla
01-30-2008 8:16 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
quote:
how about you explain what the singularity is to me ?
As someone else here already pointed out, the singularity isn't a thing that you can pick up and examine. It's not a thing at all. It is simply where and when our current understanding of physics breaks down. Currently, we have no model that could accurately describe what goes on in this particular region of space-time. In other words, our current scientific knowledge isn't equipped to deal with something like infinite gravitational strength.
Until someone in the future developes a new model that could accurately describes what goes on in this region of space-time, we're just going to leave it alone and pretend like it's not there

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teen4christ
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Message 130 of 162 (452631)
01-30-2008 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by tesla
01-30-2008 8:29 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
Did you not read my examples?
quote:
when we say what was before man on earth, do you not have an answer?
This question makes sense because there was time before the arrival of man on Earth.
But time starts at T=0, so the question of what was "before" T=0 makes no sense. There was no time before this point. It's like asking what's north of the north pole or how much you were making a year before you were born.
quote:
if there was no validity for the question "before" there would be no science that studies the past, to answer exactly that question.
I'm not saying any question with the word "before" in it is invalid. I'm saying this particular question of "what's before T=0?" makes no sense.
Say Main street ends at house number 2235. Beyond that is just a grass field. Do you have an answer to "what is main street like beyond house 2235?" There is no main street beyond house 2235. The question makes no sense. Just as the question "what is before T=0?" makes no sense. There's no answer to it.

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teen4christ
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Message 134 of 162 (452639)
01-30-2008 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by tesla
01-30-2008 8:40 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
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i say energy, because the universe is energy, and nothing is real outside of energy, because if no energy, there's nothing there. nothing to measure, nothing to be.
Sure, if you want to see it that way. The word "singularity" simply refers to where-when our current understanding of physics breaks down.
It helps to see it this way. Suppose you open a door to a room that is totally dark. You can't see or hear or smell or feel anything from that room. You are completely clueless what is in there. So, for lack of a better term, you call it a dark room. "Dark" is not a thing. It just means you have no information to interpret what's in there.
quote:
so the singularity would have to be "something".
is this what you are saying?
I don't know if that's what I'm saying. It really depends on what you mean by "something". It would certainly not be "something" that you and I encounter each day.

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teen4christ
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Message 138 of 162 (452646)
01-30-2008 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Vacate
01-30-2008 8:52 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
Vacate writes
quote:
String Theory. Don't hold your breath however, it has no evidence that I am aware of.
As I understand it, there is no foreseeable way to detect string matter. In order to probe something, the probe must be smaller than the thing. If I want to probe, say, my computer screen, my hand has to be at most the size of the screen or smaller. If I want to probe and apple, I would have to use my fingers rather than my palm. If I want to probe a marble, I would have to use the tip of my fingers rather than my hand.
But strings are theorized to be infinitesimally smaller than the smallest subatomic particle that we know of.
What string theorists have proposed, however, is that the next best thing we can do test out the predictions of string theory. So far, it's worked wonderfully in most cases.

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