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tesla
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Message 135 of 162 (452641)
01-30-2008 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by teen4christ
01-30-2008 8:46 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
I don't know if that's what I'm saying. It really depends on what you mean by "something". It would certainly not be "something" that you and I encounter each day.
more to the the truth, if we did, we wouldn't recognize it. unless we know what to look for.
which is why it should b further scrutinized.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 137 of 162 (452645)
01-30-2008 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Vacate
01-30-2008 8:52 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
i know the basics. useless to me.
what is useful, is to further scrutinize what we can or cannot say about the singularity.
I'd like to discuss some of them, but can't unless you can admit to me that it is:
singular timeless energy, as it was described as: being: all the "energy" of the universe, focused at "one" point.
so: singular, timeless energy?
is that not what it Say's ?

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 141 of 162 (452660)
01-30-2008 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Vacate
01-30-2008 9:17 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
If you know the basics then why do you ask to further scrutinize something that cannot be scrutinzed? Relativity breaks down at that point, so outside of philosophy how do you propose to study it?
i meant the basics of string theory. its useless, because it proves nothing. its science fiction in science based on..what? i don't get any of it, because i cant reason it, so its useless to me.
but of the singularity, relativity becomes necessity, because all energies came from the one. objective reality means to look at reality as it is, and not as what it could be. by this principle you can look at what can be said of the singularity by what is real of it. that it is real by necessity, timeless, and then seek the other questions and answer them objectivly. too many scientist who are hard on their positions warp the reality of what they study. you have heard it stated in a better way. but it alludes me. seek the truth.
Scientifically I do not believe that it says anything at all. I assure you I am not trying to be difficult.
i believe you. i wasn't either but for a very long time was the debate in me.
but as i believe in the truths in science, so also do i believe in the truth of this science, because by necessity as everything IS so also is the singularity. for without it, nothing could be. and i KNOW i am.
this science is true, but it needs expansion. the parts i have observed of it are true, but there are many more truths that can be discovered about it if a greater mind was to apply the knowledge.
seek the truth of it..it may take time..it took me years. but seek the truth, and you'll find it. and i cannot begin to speculate how much in science that you will discover once understanding the truth.
my task that i fill is mine, but yours is special still. and perhaps you will be the one who will show to science the truth.
i can only hope.
but as the singularity is, debate the truth of what it means. further scrutinize what it can be said, or not said of it. you know my position. i know yours. but i hope that if you find that : by all the laws of science God IS. that you will proclaim it with the power of proof by science laws. and say : if by all the laws of science God IS. then by all the laws of science, God IS.
i have debated here on this site for a time. and truly, nothing more can i say that i haven't already said. i wish to leave it to either be debated or not by the rest who are here, but as i feel in my heart to do, will i do. and Gods will be done.
Tim Brown

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 143 of 162 (452670)
01-31-2008 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Vacate
01-30-2008 11:55 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
You don't understand. If relativity breaks down at the singularity you cannot use it. That is why another theory is needed. Relativity does not work.
relativity does not break down. the energy that was first was all one. all the same all relative to itself. and from it came all things. and all things are relative to each other because they are relative to the one.
if a scientist Say's "i study science by its tentative theories, but i accept it as reality", what reality have they accepted?
the truth will be known. maybe not today. maybe not this time. but there will be a time. then you also will know.
Gods will be done. so be it.
Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 151 of 162 (452968)
01-31-2008 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Lemkin
01-31-2008 9:24 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
The Bible says that the whole Bible is true.
i wonder. what does God say about the bible?
i consider what Jesus said to the Pharisee's when the Pharisee's told Jesus he was not observing Gods laws.
ill have to look it back up where Jesus said "i have not forgotten one tith of the law"
just because someone would go to hell for warping something doesn't mean they wouldn't warp it. especially if they didn't believe it anyways, but just wanted the power and money.
Edited by tesla, : added last point.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 154 of 162 (453007)
02-01-2008 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by ICANT
02-01-2008 12:40 AM


Re: Makes More Sense
acts 17:11
never take it at face value. determine what is true.
the main things are the plain things, the plain things the main things.
if i teach; determine what is true, by what you can plainly understand, then what evil have i done?
if i quote Jesus, who told the Pharisee's that the law of moses they had received as the law given by God concerning divorce, and Jesus rebuked them, saying it was not Gods law, what evil have i done?
the truth is, the bible is a publishing of the Word of God. but the Word of God is the consciousness of God. so if you seek the word, open your heart to know him.
i will not trust the works or teachings of man, but the teachings of God as i know he is. and the main things being the plain things that i will obey. the words in red explain enough for me, knowing the laws of science that have explained God to me, and knowing his name by definition, have i found how to seek him in reality. and when i read the bible, i apply the name of God as he is defined, to the text, and i see what is true to him.
so also, should all Christians seek the truth, and retain only what they can see for the truth, because if you say to all, and even your mind, "Jesus is my Lord" but in your heart you cannot except the truth without some doubt, then what good have you done? you'll call him Lord, yet not obey him.
Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 156 of 162 (453064)
02-01-2008 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by ICANT
02-01-2008 9:59 AM


Re: Makes More Sense
you are right to correct my spelling.
but in your heart you cannot accept the truth without some doubt
is what i was saying.i believe when i ran spellcheck i incorrectly corrected a typo. or just misspelled the word.
Edited by tesla, : No reason given.
Edited by tesla, : No reason given.
Edited by tesla, : bleh not awake., typoes.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 159 of 162 (453940)
02-04-2008 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Lemkin
02-04-2008 7:52 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
I'm just pointing out that men are fallible. but i consider God infallible.
i consider the word of God, the consciousness of God. that the published word did not create and now sustain all that is, but that the living word is supposed to be sought outside of the book, by way of understanding what is written in the book, by that which is true to the name of God and his nature.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 162 of 162 (453954)
02-04-2008 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Lemkin
02-04-2008 8:37 PM


Re: Makes More Sense
then read my above statements. Jesus pointed out that what the Pharisee's called the "law" of God, was NOT the law of God as it was written.
i say this clearly: the Word of God is only published in the bible, and because of mans lack of understanding, misinterpret even the truth of it.
the truth is , the bible is not the "Word of God" it is a publishing, of the Word of God. and possibly, because of the fault of mans ignorance, some misquotes.
but the Word of our living God lives, so by understanding what is clear (clear) i say, clear, in the bible, you should seek the living Word, who lives, and by which all that is was established and sustained by in the literal, real, sense.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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