Evidence for God

You have to admit that you are making some wild assumptions when you consider the whole world to actually exist. There is not a shred of evidence to make you believe that the world actually exists. Not even one shred.

Ahhh, the desperate and plaintive cry of the solipsist...The sad thing about this particular species of bullshit is that you almost certainly don't believe a word of it. If the world isn't real, why don't you jump off tall building? The answer, of course, is that you are perfectly aware that you do exist, as does everyone else.Taking refuge behind solipsism is a pathetic admission of having lost the argument. It is also a ridiculous waste of time, both yours and that of others. If you do not believe that others exist, you are wasting your time talking to us.You recently posted a thread entitled "Questions for Atheists". Why on Earth would you canvass the opinions of fictional characters? Again, the likely answer is that you know that other people do exist and you are merely using this solipsistic piffle as a smoke-screen to disguise the fact that your evidence for God (remember the topic at all?) consists of precisely sod all.Your argument might impress a fourteen year old on acid, but you are wasting your time trying to bring it up in a discussion with grown-ups.Mutate and Survive

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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

Why do you believe that the world exists? You have no evidence. Not a single thing. Completely blind faith. You have not broken my argument. You can never prove that the world exists. I don't jump off buildings because I have fallen before and I know what pain feels like.

How do you know you know what pain feels like? I believe that the world exists because, real or not, it is the only world available to me.I have not broken your argument because I'm not attempting to. You are quite right when you say that we cannot know with absolute certainty that reality is really real. It's just that it's a pointless argument that adds nothing to our knowledge and generally wastes time. The fact that you are still just as keen to avoid pain from potentially imaginary causes as you would be to avoid pain from real causes should be enough to tell you this.Your potentially unreal world and my potentially real world are effectively indistinguishable, so why obfuscate other, possibly more interesting arguments with this kind of childish and pathetic wankery?Mutate and SurviveP.S. If you do come across any evidence for God, be sure to let us know.Edited by Granny Magda, : Punctuation typo.

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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

I was gonna respond to Closed Mind's post. But then I read your response and thought I would leave you to your line of attack as I have little to add that you have not already said.I just wanted to say that I like the blunt eloquence of your abusive dismissiveness.

Thank you. Much appreciated.The reason I have so little tolerance for this kind of argument is because of someone I used to live with. He thought he was a philosopher. Whilst he was a very lovely man in many ways, he was not a philosopher. He was rather, an alcoholic who drank too much special brew. After what felt like a lifetime of "can-we-really-know-anything" tedium, my lifetime stock of patience for solipsism has worn very thin. It's an intellectual dead end; what more can you say?

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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

Yep. And so is "Special Brew".I am too pubbed up to comment any further. May all your posts be at least as good as the last one........ Such is progress.Stay Happy.

You have formally admitted to being defeated by this argument. You merely state that you have no patience of this one because it has defeated you in the past as well. I am glad that you are acknowledging exactly what you are doing.Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.

By choosing to pursue so pointless an excuse for an argument, you have embraced defeat. This thread is entitled "Evidence for God". If nothing can be known, there can be no evidence for God worth speaking of.The point I am trying to impress upon you is that whilst it may be impossible to absolutely refute solipsism, it is also impossible to do anything interesting or useful with it. It gets us nowhere. It is vapid, worthless and, most criminal of all, very, very dull. Grow up.Mutate and Survive

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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

So lets go one step further, if I have no evidence that the world exists,then I have no evidence that you exist. I f the world doesnot exist, then were was I when I was in Vienam, Germany, Australia, Italy, Canada & Iceland? Where was I when I was In Texas, California, Hawaii, Vermont, Colorado, Washington, Alaska, Alabama, South Carolina, Illinois, Indiana, Rhode Island, New York, Virginia, Mississippi, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Arkansas, Okalahoma, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, Maine, Connecticut, Georgia, West Virginia or Massachusetts

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since most atheists reject philosophical proofs of G-d, and are instead focused on evidence, I will give you a mathematical proof from evidence. Multiplication of two numbers will yield the same answer as addition of the two numbers. The evidence is 2+2=4 and 2*2=4. You have been given evidence that multiplication and addition will give the same answers. In short, evidence is never considered a logical proof.

By definition, atheists tend to reject any arguments for God, but OK. Well, this is the "Evidence for God" thread. Right. Proof belongs to the realm of mathematics and formal logic. This thread is about evidence. I understand the difference thanks.Now do you have any evidence for God or not?Mutate and Survive

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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

The evidence is the Torah and the existence of the Jewish people. Another piece of evidence is the existence of a conscious and free will.
The existence of anything proves that there was a creator as well.

It and they could easily all be wrong. Consciousness and free will do not suggest god's existence all on their own. If everything proves that god exists then nothing proves that god exists in the same regard.I'm happy taking god's existence on faith. What's your problem? Why the need to "prove" it?

Naturally the Torah agrees with the Torah. This comes as no surprise. Unfortunately for you, there are plenty of other religious books out there, all claiming to be true. They can't all be right. In order to stand out from the crowd you really need a bit more than that. What is it about your scripture-of-choice that marks it out as being so special? Now that really is a bizarre argument. One might as well argue that the existence of the Native Australian people proves that the Rainbow Serpent is real. It doesn't. How so? That has to be one of the most shameless examples of a bare un-evidenced assertion that I've ever seen. Simply asserting it won't make it true you know.Mutate and Survive

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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade