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Author Topic:   Why so friggin' confident?
NosyNed
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Message 8 of 413 (493541)
01-09-2009 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by John 10:10
01-09-2009 10:24 AM



Let me ask you one question. Why should those who have faith in the God of the Bible waste our time reasoning with someone who won't take the time to read the most read book ever printed?
If you aren't asking the right questions, you aren't ready for the right answers, or will even agree that there are right questions and right answers.
Sooooo amusing. This is EXACTLY the issue with near enough to 100 % of the creationists who drop in here arguing against evolution.
If we are expected to engage those maybe you should go to the trouble of engaging this guy (though I agree with your feelings on this).

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NosyNed
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Message 18 of 413 (493567)
01-09-2009 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by John 10:10
01-09-2009 11:03 AM


Re:
This section of the EvC forum has nothing to do with evolution. It's the place where people of faith and belief in the God of the Bible can share with those who have no faith and belief in the God of the Bible.
But the starting place is that someone should at least read the Bible before entering into dialogue about the Bible.
Did you really totally miss the point of my post? I didn't say that this topic was anything to do with evolution.
Please tell me what you think the point of my post was. I'd like to see if you can figure it out.
Edited by NosyNed, : No reason given.

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NosyNed
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Message 354 of 413 (496373)
01-27-2009 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Dawn Bertot
01-27-2009 10:30 PM


Not the same form of question
Unfortunately Bertot, your question is not of the same form as DA's. You are just ducking and it is obvious that you are.

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NosyNed
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Message 357 of 413 (496380)
01-27-2009 10:52 PM
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01-27-2009 10:48 PM


Re: Not the same form of question
The wife beating question is meaningless if someone is not beating their wife.
The "what would you do if..." is a perfectly well formed question. It is not nonsensical. If someone claims to hear voices it is very reasonably to ask them how far they will follow those voices.
In fact it is imperative to know since individuals have listened to what they claim is exactly the same voice that John hears and you know the kind of outcomes that have followed.
ABE
The question is also directly related to the thread topic. It is asking John just how "friggin' confident" he actually is.
Edited by NosyNed, : added a bit

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NosyNed
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Message 361 of 413 (496388)
01-27-2009 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 359 by Dawn Bertot
01-27-2009 11:03 PM


Re: Not the same form of question
You guys are an enigma to me sometimes, at times you can appear so intelligent and other times dumber than a fence post. DAs question would have no relevance Ned, if John was not indicating that God had ask him to do this, correct? DA is presenting a scenario that does not exist and does not apply to John.
Let's be clear. Asking about a condition that does NOT exist makes the wife beating question meaningless.
Asking a question that says "If the condition existed then what?" is a perfectly meaningful question. The "if" makes all the difference. It is a shame that I have to teach you how to read English and handle reasonably simple logic but I guess that is how it is.
The scenario does exist. It makes the headlines every time it comes up. The scenario may well apply to John that is what is being asked.
Bertot, you missed something serious. John hears voices in his head. It is important to understand how far John (or others) will go with that. John has some degree of "high" confidence that the voices are the supreme ruler of the universe. John thinks that the surpreme ruler was perfectly right to order the death of many in the past. This is exactly the scenario being asked about. {bIf[/b] the voice goes further in what it says will John follow it? Is he that confident in what he is hearing?

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NosyNed
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Message 364 of 413 (496397)
01-28-2009 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 363 by Dawn Bertot
01-28-2009 1:56 AM


Re: Not the same form of question
DA asked him the question, not God. There is nothing really wrong with DAs question its the manner in which he is askingor forcing him to answer it. Imagine if I said to DA, "would you be willing to follow an order of a naval superior (I know thats a contradiction of terms) to kill someone". Then I said, I dont need any explanation or rationalization, just answer it yes or no. Ofcourse I could be meaning an inocent bystander or anyone not needing to be shot, correct?
This is a very good point. But there are a couple of problems; John is as evasive as you are and needs to be pinned down; and you and John and others have declared this God to be always moral and right so there is no arguing with this truly superior officer, he is by definition correct no matter what the situation.
Given that and John's 99.9% confidence then there is no arguing or discussing.
The situation is very applicable to John. Who knows what orders the voice will give him next (especially if he doesn't get on meds in time).

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