Why so friggin' confident?

Because the Bible doesn't have a copy write on faith. Some have faith that they have the ability to follow an argument without interjecting their every little prejudice into it no matter the relevancy. But we know that's not true.for example: From whence comes your faith that you are asking the right and we are not? Are you sure you're immune to the wiles of Satin. No one is easier to fool then a man who is certain.And please don't give me a handful of Bible quotes to answer the question unless you can show extra-biblically that they aren't the devils tricks.I'm with you, Reality Man, I don't get it.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

This doesn't address how you know Genesis is correct and Kojoki is not?Mind you, the texts are not at issue; the devil is not at issue; the issue is: how do you know you are right.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

The quoting of holy books is the question not the answer.The topic is clearly how do you know you are right. The name of it is "Why so Friggin' Confident?" for Pete's sake. If you can't "figger" that one out I don't know what your opinion could be worth anyway. And if you don't want to share it, why are you posting on this thread: Couldn't find a mind your own business thread?

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

And you must have missed the post you're replying too and the three posts that replied to post #29 They told you as well as I could that you've confused what you believe with why you believe it.Once again, what you believe is not the question, but why you believe it.For the wider audience, it occurred to me while pondering this thread that I am one who should be answering this question. As far as I can tell, I, with the possible exception of DannyPartridge, am the youngest person here. Nearly everything I believe is based on faith in those who tell it to me. There is some selection of my own in whom I give more weight to. My uncle got a lot. My mum next to nothing.My uncle would answer my questions all day long. Whatever I could ask he'd be able drop the question into a whole system (theory) that tied it to something I'd already learned. The more I talked to him the more things joined together.My mum goes right to the Bible for everything. Every bit is a separate piece. And she has no idea where the white goes when the snow melts.I have faith in science because it is self correcting.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

Well, He used to live up the road until His parents had Him removed. The Person of the Lord, Jesus Christ, spent most of his time roving the neighborhood with sea gull feathers sticking out of his shoulder length, unkempt hair administering salvation to solitary road sign and throng of bushes alike. He never tried to save me, but often commanded that I be glad in my day; I complied as resistance is futile. (I don't really know what became of Him; He may have ascended.)He was as certain of His identity as I of mine. Your testimony seems to indicate that I erred in listening to my mum. Should I, instead, have thrown down my nets and followed Him as He lapped the block? Or nailed Him to a tree?And for the big question and the point of this thread: How was I to know?In addition, having read Percy's post #71, I too seem to be missing a subtlety in the topic. My question above does seem to ask for evidence so let me rephrase it. If I were to have faith in our municipal Person of the Lord, Jesus Christ, would I have been wrong, and how do you know?Edited by lyx2no, : Addition

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

Still off topic. Answer the question asked of you and you could be on topic. Not so hard.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

I understand that certain statements conform very nearly to reality:

• The Universe is 13.7 billion years old.
• The Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
• The Earth Goes round the Sun.
• Life changes slowly, over many generations.
• The Theory of Evolution explains how.
• Germs cause disease.
• Dill pickles are not fit for human consumption.

I understand that other certain things don't conform with reality:

• Man was formed from the dust of the Earth in the Garden of Eden.
• Woman was made from the rib of the man.
• There was a world wide flood within the last 5,000 years.
• Said flood wipe out all life on Earth save pairs of all animal kinds and a family of eight humans put to sea on a gopher wood ark.
• That a virgin gave birth.
• That the child from that birth grew up, died and came back to life and ascended into Heaven.
• We'll get to see Him if we accept this second list to be true.

BUT,there is a possibility that I could be wrong and these list are reversed in their degree of conformity to reality.Can you, John 10:10, make similar lists and a similar final statement about them. Or does your faith not allow you to understand that you could be wrong.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

I hope to find all these things one day. Without God how am I supposed to know which of my children to drown in the bath tub and which to let die of an easily cured ear ache? Do I die in fire battling the ATF or gently fade away in my bunk, new Nikies, face covered with a purple hankie and barbituate laced jello pudding cups scattered like rice at a wedding? Please, Jesus, help me find my way.The lists were a bit glib. I don't know the exact beliefs that John 10:10 holds (it's not like they are written down in a book somewhere), and I didn't mean to get them exact. The pickle should have given it away that personal modifications to reflect ones personal belief within the lists was the order of the day.But thanks anyhow for your kindly administrations to my soul, but I've already sold it to a guy disguised as a wad of spaghetti for a meatball. My voice was never good enough to join my Catholic school all boys chior; and yet, I've tasted of the Holy Meatball.P.S. This last one will easily earn me a weeks computer restriction, so please, don't nobody say anything interesting while I'm gone. I strain at the bit unable to answer a provocative posting. It's a pitiful sight.Edited by lyx2no, : Stain at the bit?Edited by lyx2no, : Grammar

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

You don't seem to be able to say the word "no" but no is the answer” yes? Do you recognize that people have the capacity for delusion? My old chum sea gull Jesus for example. Do you think yourself immune to delusion, therefore your faith in your own judgment is unquestionable. Delusion is a reach, but it must be considered if ones is so friggin' confident in their faith that they can't say there is a possibility that they could be wrong.I ask again, should I have follow sea gull Jesus? And if not, how do you know?

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

Does this mean you recognize that you can be wrong or that you are not a sinner? Can you supply any evidence of your infallibility? Do you think you can stop talking in mystical pablum? It doesn't matter much what Paul had to say. The Bible has no particular value as a source of evidence unless the subject is what the Bible has to say.The current subject is faith, how can one be so certain. So far I've discovered that true faith, not the wishy-washy, pragmatic kind I rely upon, must be certain because it is too weak to admit doubt. I'd rather not have to assume your answer to the question"Can you make lists of statements similar to my own and then accept that you may be wrong in which one is more closely akin to reality?", so do you think you can give a grown up answer?I ask again, should I have follow sea gull Jesus? And if not, how do you know? He was a true believer. And all he had to do was take his own word for it.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

It would only be your communications with God that are of interest here, but thanks for the distraction.So, John 10:10, are your communications with God absolutely, 100%, without doubt genuine. Is there no room for your being delusional? Is sea gull Jesus beyond question because he gets all of his communications from His Dad? The person who mistakes pablum for filet minion is wrong. He may prefer pablum, but that does not make it more then pablum. His preference for pablum may lie, as your arguments to date, in a lack of teeth.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

I have only asked if it were possible your perceptions could be delusions. I have not stated that they are. I have also not stated that sea gull Jesus is delusional; though, I have asked repeatedly for your opinion on that matter. Is there a reluctance to answer that question? More importantly, for the sake of the topic, how do you know either way the correctness of His position? Why didn't you assure me at the very beginning of this exchange you could have save us both a lot of time? Might I enquire, Is sea gull Jesus included in that "we"?One more thing, as you have a knack for mistaking the pablum for filet minion, the meat of this post is the question "Is sea gull Jesus delusional, and how do you know?"Edited by lyx2no, : Clarity ” God knows we could do with a bit.Edited by lyx2no, : Modify signature.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

Thank you. Did that really need to be so hard? Why is it to Him but you not ? Surely, as The Son of Man, He hears the voice of The Father even more certainly then you. I haven't said your Lord Jesus was delusional either. I never even compared SJ to JC. I only held Him up to you. You hear and interpret clearly the words of the Lord, but can't read and interpret the words of a post. That doesn't lend confidence to your insights. I believe in sea gull Jesus as truly as I believe in the Bible: They both exist. I don't believe either is inspired.Why in the many posts of cavediver, which I've yet to make heads of tails of, has he never said to anyone "Since you don't believe in anything but a Newton, you will never understand the proof Einstein gives to those who love and honor him."? Why does the evidence of GR stand on its own, but the evidence of God require prior acceptance?To speed this up a some ” the answer is faith. What do you know, we're on topic again. How did that happen?You have faith that that which is talking to you is God. That you do hear that which is talking to you I'll take your assurance for. That people hear things in their heads requires little evidence. After all, I can hear every word in my head before I type it. I assume it's my voice, but I could be wrong.Sea gull Jesus had faith that that which talked to Him was also God. Why is the quality of your faith better than His? How is it that you dare to call his faith delusion? Why does that not open up your faith, or the faith of anyone, to the same charge by those who know their own voice?I assure you, your interpretation of reality is not of a wholly other sort (matter of degree) than that of sea gull Jesus to those on the outside of it.How does one resolve faith and folly?

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

Hi John 10:10I just thought I’d rewrite your last few posts in light of the new revelation that sea gull Jesus is not receiving the proper word of the Lord. That still leave the question: How does one resolve faith and folly?

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

These are merely would-be, ad hoc definitions, not a method of distinguishing fact from folly. I am, at this point, friggin' confident that you do not have the ability to resolve answer from dodge. But I'm also friggin' confident you've done your best. Thank you for your considerations. One for the "Why I want to be like you when I grow up." files:

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It would be no better to explain why I believe I have a parrot on my shoulder named Captain Flint is to point at a few paragraphs of Treasure Island and say that I made a decision to assume a few sentences of description applied to me.

Those toys . where does he get those wonderful toys?Edited by lyx2no, : Tense.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.