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Author Topic:   dinosaur and human co-existence
Buzsaw
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Message 229 of 271 (560835)
05-17-2010 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Percy
05-17-2010 11:29 AM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Percy writes:
I've read through your message several times trying to extract the real world evidence for the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs 4350 years ago, and I think I've identified all of it. Would this be an accurate summary:
Evidence for an asteroid strike about 65 million years ago.
Evidence for a warmer and wetter climate prior to 65 million years ago.
If that is correct then I don't think I'm going to fare very well in the debate unless I start picking and choosing my scientific evidence. For example, I could mention the scientific evidence for an asteroid strike and leave out the scientific evidence that it occurred 65 million years ago, but that doesn't strike me as honest.
The flood hypothesis looks at the above evidence and attributes the warm and wet climate to a pre-flood planet and atmosphere as the vapor canopy which I've described. The flood hypothesis assumes a non-uniform catastrophic event. The implication of this is that the carbon and other element makeup of the planet and atmosphere previous to 4350 years ago would be unknown and likely much different than post flood. Thus the meteor strike and warmer climate could have happened a few thousand years ago.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Fix quote.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 233 of 271 (560867)
05-17-2010 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by Dr Adequate
05-17-2010 10:54 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
D A, the meteor strike, if happened just before the flood would have cooled the vapor canopy pre-flood atmosphere and condensed it causing the first rain as per the Biblical record. You have to factor in all of the ramifications of a pre-flood planet and atmosphere, including different dating data.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 236 of 271 (560871)
05-18-2010 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by Percy
05-17-2010 9:48 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Percy writes:
Right, we all understand your hypothesis. But remember, you're preparing me for a debate where I'm to take the position that humans and dinosaurs coexisted 4350 years ago, and I need the evidence supporting that hypothesis. So I might continue my presentation during the debate like this:
Percy, throughout the years here at EvC, I've presented corroborating evidence such as fulfilled prophecy and other data which convinces me that the Biblical record is a reliable premise for my world view. I've shown why I believe the data could (I say could) accomodate the Genesis record. As I've contended, no secularist non-ID minded person will ever admit to any evidence that I've ever cited. Ive presented another PoV based on the Biblical hypothesis, for what it's worth to you or anyone else. Obviously nobody here buys anthing I've said. I've aired all I have and am ready to move on to something else.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 244 of 271 (561329)
05-20-2010 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by Percy
05-18-2010 4:48 AM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Percy writes:
Some equivalent list of the evidence for the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs 4350 years is all I'm asking for. Since you've worked on this for decades you should be able to rattle off such a list off the top of your head in just a few seconds. Things that actually happened leave evidence behind, and all I'm asking for is a short list of that evidence
Percy, can we agree that an hypothesis having a premise of a global flood as per the Genesis account would needs assume non-uniform planet properties relative to elements in the atmospher and planet surface?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 245 of 271 (561330)
05-20-2010 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by misha
05-18-2010 7:58 AM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Misha, debate on an alleged canopy would be a separate topic. There has been some threads in the archives in which this was debated to some length.

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