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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No serious point really. If any of the folk passing on the spam had ever been to New York they would know that gay bars and strip clubs abound.
As usual, it is mostly just repetition of the vast body of misinformation out there. The proposed "Ground Zero" mosque is not a mosque and is not at Ground Zero. There is already a Mosque in the area and has been since before the Twin Towers were built. Religion is a protected area under our Constitution, Gay Bars are not. The email seems like the classic example of really ignorant folk trying desperately to make a funny. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Certainly. In fact if you look at Columbia, MD one of the key design ideas was to discourage individual denominational churches and to create Interfaith buildings that not only served differing faiths but could also be used throughout the year for other purposes as well.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So far it is working splendidly. Columbia, Md is only approaching fifty years old, getting into its second generation, but has consistently been named as one of the best places in the US to live.
Jimmy Rouse has long been one of my heroes along with Charles and Joe Fraser when it comes to creating living environments. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
From the very beginning that was Jimmy Rouses goal. The town included the concept of neighborhoods that would include a broad range of housing from subsidized to multi-million dollar estates. The neighborhoods are all connected by walking and bike paths, parks and green spaces abound, even the idea of workforce availability was considered and the town now is home to more jobs than the total population. Shopping areas were planned to be close enough so that people could reach them on foot or bike.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How is public transportation? Are there available statistics on cultural, racial and income diversity? Well, inside the actual planned community there is lots of data. The initial idea was to create a series of small villages, each one built around a central area, with a variety of homes, local shopping centers, jobs, a cultural center, interfaith centers, schools and health facilities all connected by walkways, bikeways, green spaces, mass transit. Of course, the idea worked and so there has been lots of growth surrounding the area, and it is relatively uncontrolled. It's getting harder to pull out the demographics for the planned community since the current census area includes many of the cities that predated Columbia as well as the growth outside the planned community itself. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Then show me how they're intolerant of other kinds of jerks that don't happen to be like Sarah Palin and are indeed members of their own party. Show me they don't use generalizations as well. Of course, they'll never admit to it. Come on now. I try to speak out against all the jerks I find across the spectrum Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If enough people found it funny would torture on stage be acceptable? I cannot conceive that you think it would. That is a line. A pretty low level line. But a line nevertheless. that really depends on the society. There have been times when it was; there may be times in the future when it is. But what does all thins have to do with the topic? Lines change. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And except for the very first Pink Panther, none of them were very funny either.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But would serving Calamari rings in tomato bisque after the Bris be considered as crossing a line?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Right now SCOTUS is also searching for the line.
The issue revolves around the Phelps Family and their behavior at military funerals. Their speech is without a doubt hateful and down right nasty and they do typify Christianity at its worst, but here, in the US, is their speech protected. It's a tough issue. They are really obnoxious people saying totally nasty things to families and completely misrepresenting both the Bible and Christianity and doing so in a way that is totally irrelevant to the funeral or the individual being buried. Even for fundy Christians they are extreme and the god they try to market about as vile and evil a creation as imaginable. BUT... it is not the speech we approve of, that we agree with, that should be protected. As much as I hate everything the Phelps clan stands for and espouses, even though the god they market is vile, nasty, despicable and yet pitiful , I do have to come down on the side that says "Yes, their speech is protected." Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Their speech is protected, certainly. But what about the location and time they choose to express it? Considering that the Phelps clan's purpose is primarily to harass and annoy military personnel, their families, and homosexuals and their supporters, couldn't they simply be required to take their free speech elsewhere? And they are very careful to observe the letter of the law on where they demonstrate.
I think of the Phelpses much like I think of the KKK - they have the right to say whatever they want and hold whatever views they feel are right for them, regardless of how the rest of us feel. But the KKK doesn't have the right to express their speech by burning a cross on some black family's lawn, and I don't think the Phelpses should be able to invade the privacy of a funeral to tell the family members that their dead son/daughter/spouse/friend/whatever deserved to die as a punishment from God. But again, is there some right of privacy a in a public location? Is there some right of privacy that attaches to a burial? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
However, their speech is protected two way. One is under under abridging free speech, the second is under free exercise of religion.
Also, they are not harassing some protected class. The military is not a protected class, the US is not a protected class, even grieving parents are not a protected class. They follow the letter of the law but just that. You had said "I don't think the Phelpses should be able to invade the privacy of a funeral to tell the family members that their dead son/daughter/spouse/friend/whatever deserved to die as a punishment from God." That was what I questioned when I asked if there was some right to privacy attached to burials. I don't see where there is any right to not be harassed. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Why can't the Military provide Military police escorts to these burial details, and make use of their night sticks to any one protesting or interfering with the dignity of the departed? They can of course provide an escort, but I hope you meant "and make use of their night sticks to any one protesting or interfering with the dignity of the departed" as some kind of sick joke. Edited by jar, : fix quote marks Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Who is Patrice, who is Sonia, what is O&A?
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